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Judge Moore Ain't Removing Ten Commandments (FOX NEWS)

Posted on 11/19/2002 8:36:24 AM PST by Dallas

You gotta love this guy....


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10commandments; alabama; benny; judgemoore
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To: Dallas
The Bible
The more profoundly we study this wonderful book,
and the more closely we observe it's divine precepts,
the higher will be our destiny as a nation

President William McKinley, Inaugural address
March 4, 1897

561 posted on 11/19/2002 4:41:19 PM PST by The Mayor
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To: Dallas
Who demands what is required of American Citizens

If ye love wealth greater than Liberty,
the tranquility of servitude greater than
the animating contest for freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We seek not your consul, nor your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams

562 posted on 11/19/2002 4:43:27 PM PST by The Mayor
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To: CivilLibertarian
You seem angry. Please, make yourself a nice cup of tea. Relax. Then read the opinion of the court in this matter. Notice that no tax dollars were used in the construction or display of these 10 Commandments.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/index_of_opinions.htm
563 posted on 11/19/2002 4:44:10 PM PST by keats5
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To: CivilLibertarian
Give it up....

Christmas is a christian holiday....period

Your tax dollars pay for the National (gasp) Christmas Tree, and the paid holidays of state, and federal workers. And those darn christmas stamps the post office issues...I bet that really chaps your butt.

564 posted on 11/19/2002 4:47:46 PM PST by Dallas
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To: RobbyS
"Contrary to your belief, there are statues in every state which uphold the principles of the Ten Commandments"

Please provide me with a citation.

565 posted on 11/19/2002 4:49:49 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: Mark Felton
"We are either ruled by God or we are ruled by men. Any true rational, reasoning and thinking libertarian will know this to be true."

I would say that we are ruled by the law, which is made by men, whether or not you believe they are acting as proxies for God.

"Liberties can only be protected with a common set of moral ground rules."

True, but only a few of those common moral ground rules exist in the Ten Commandments, and they aren't unique to it, while other Commandments are incompatible with common moral ground rules, like being commanded to worship only Jehovah. The great Common Moral Ground Rule is the Golden Rule, but for some strange reason it's not part of the Ten Commandments:

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/golden.html

And anyway, WHICH Ten Commandments are the official Commandments? There are five, as one website explains:

http://www.churchofhumanbodies.org/eltanin/ten/index.shtml

566 posted on 11/19/2002 4:55:28 PM PST by reasonseeker
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To: Dallas
Hell, I'm not a religious person and I love him.

The Diversity Nazis need a lesson in Americanism.

567 posted on 11/19/2002 4:57:34 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: XJarhead
Correct, but with a caveat. It is one thing to disagree with the appointed arbiter. It is another when the arbiter is clearly arbiting in bad faith and is clearly ignoring the parameters he's been given. I agree that the arbiter should be given a tremendous amount of deference. I agree that the benefit of the doubt should be given in cases which are not very weighty.

In the instant case, whether or not to post the commandments, I can tolerate an alternate point of view. In the case of Gore, however, what we had was an attempted coup. Free men would have been derelict to have allowed it. I credit the freepers who pounded on the doors and demanded to be let in when they attempted to count the votes in private for, in part, saving the republic and I credit the supreme court for honoring the constitution.

I agree that we can't have anarchy and vigilanties running all over the place, but when the constitution is clearly ignored, that's what we have. "If the government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy," - Justice Louis Brandeis -So people make mistakes. Fine. Then again,tell that to the innocent guy who spent ten years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. Ok, so things happen. On the other hand, you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Reasonable people can disagree. A bad judge can be removed. Tyrants, however, need to be killed. I may not consider my myself qualified to second guess a judge in most cases, but I do know how to read. Sometimes even I know when my rights as a free man are being trampled by tyrants posing as legitimate government officials. When that happens, to ignore an illegitimate command from a tyrant is proper.

Example: All federal laws which infringe upon a free man's right to bear arms have zero legitimacy, period. Those who have passed, ruled in favor of, and enforced such laws while pretending to be loyal to the constitution have betrayed their oaths, the constitution and their fellow men. Those who ignore such laws in no way blemish their record as good citizens. Its as simple as that.

If you want to pass a legitimate federal gun law, you need to start a new government. The constitution of the present one cannot be amended in such a way as to allow them. Perhaps that is why no one has bothered to try. The bill of rights cannot be amended. It trumps the constitution and any attempt to amend it.

Finally, regardless of the above, even in cases where the constitution can be properly amended, some laws can never be legitimate, as certain rights of men are inalienable. Laws allowing for slavery or murder, for example, will never have legitimacy even if we were to amend the constitution to explicitly allow for them. Any effort to enforce them would never be anything other than tyranny of the majority and would be inconsistent with the founding principles of our government.

You are correct that we can't simply ignore laws just because we don't agree with them. That same rule applies, however, to our servants and their observance of the constitution that gives them their authority to begin with. When this does not happen, I submit that it is our right, prerogative and our duty as good citizens and as free men to ignore clearly unconstitutional laws and rulings and, if nessecary, to remove or eliminate those who would tyrannize us.

569 posted on 11/19/2002 5:02:54 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: The Mayor; CivilLibertarian
* "The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." (George Washington)

* "History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline." (General Douglas MacArthur)

* "All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship." (President Grover Cleveland)

* "Why, then, should we who believe in Christ be so surprised at what God can do with a willing man in a laboratory? Some things must be baffling to the critic who has never been born again." (George Washington Carver)

* "Education is useless without the Bible." (Noah Webster)

* "But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own." (President Abraham Lincoln)

* "These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." (United States Supreme Court, 1892, Church of the Holy Trinity v. The United States)

* "The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other." (Alexis de Tocqueville)

* "If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under." (President Ronald Reagan)

571 posted on 11/19/2002 5:06:52 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Kerberos
What. no adultery laws in your state? No laws providing for a Sunday quiet and limiting openings? No laws against blasphemy, No oath-taking? No laws against theft, murder, fraud, defamation, slander? No immunity of churches from taxation? Then I don't want to come to your state.
572 posted on 11/19/2002 5:07:09 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: CivilLibertarian
Ah, yes. Written before the days of Free Republic.
574 posted on 11/19/2002 5:09:25 PM PST by keats5
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To: CivilLibertarian
what did you do sit down and write these yourself?

carloads

??? source???

575 posted on 11/19/2002 5:09:36 PM PST by The Mayor
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To: Kerberos
Re #565

"America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations" (by William Federer)

If you're really curious about it...

576 posted on 11/19/2002 5:10:08 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas
""America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations" (by William Federer) "

I was looking for a statutory citation as per #565. Any one of the fifty states or the federal code will do.

578 posted on 11/19/2002 5:15:52 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: Dallas
"Christmas is a christian holiday....period"

Not quite. In fact, some Christians think it's wrong to celebrate it, since it's really a pagan holiday:

http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualnls/Xmas_ch1.htm

579 posted on 11/19/2002 5:16:49 PM PST by reasonseeker
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To: SJackson
You don't seem to reaalize how radical a view you are proposing. He is not allowed to memorialize the faith of the majority of the people of Alabama. It is a very extreme application of a theory concocted by another Alabama Judge, Hugo Black, in order to prevent the Catholic schools from receiving fedreal funding.
580 posted on 11/19/2002 5:16:53 PM PST by RobbyS
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