Posted on 11/19/2002 8:36:24 AM PST by Dallas
You gotta love this guy....
Laws are proposed and legislated by and for the people. The Blue laws were established by the people and it is what the people wanted.
"The people" as in every single one of them? Why the need for the law if everyone agreed? Oh, wait, everyone didn't agree, so they wrote the law so that those who wanted the law could punish those who didn't. This is called mob rule, or democracy, and has no place in a free society.
It was a "business oriented" law, not a religious law.
ROTFLMAO!!!
That's priceless!
"With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.
This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties." -- John Jay, Federalist Paper #2
"For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same Religeon, Manners, Habits & political Principles. You have in a common cause fought & triumphed together--The independence & liberty you possess are the work of joint councils, and joint efforts--of common dangers, sufferings and successes.
. . . Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens. The mere Politican, equally with the pious man ought to respect & to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private & public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the Oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure--reason & experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. " -- George Washington, Farewell Address
Amazing. For someone who makes such a big deal of spelling errors, you really should be more careful. I don't like point them out myself, because it is petty and childish to do in lieu of argument, but for you I will make an exception:
It is spelled
adultery
You really believe there's no direct correlation between the removal of God (and rediculing anything godly) from public life lo these 50 years ago to what people act like today? You deceive yourself.
Does taking an on a bible (oath of office, or an oath to tell the truth in court) mean that you are a Christian. I dont think so. Try reading a little bit instead of listening to holy roller radio.
John JayJohn Jay was not exactly in the mainstream of the Framers vis a vis government and religion. As governor of New York he proposed expelling all Roman Catholics from the state.
-Eric
Furthermore, Several states ban consentual Sodomy and the Supreme Court has upheld these laws.
Kansas
21-3505 Criminal sodomy
(a) Criminal sodomy is:
(1) Sodomy between persons who are 16 or more years of age and members of the same sex or between a person and an animal;
(2) sodomy with a child who is 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age; or
(3) causing a child 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age to engage in sodomy with any person or animal.
(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of criminal sodomy as provided in subsection (a)(2) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.
(c) Criminal sodomy as provided in subsection (a)(1) is a class B nonperson misdemeanor.
Criminal sodomy as provided in subsections (a)(2) and (a)(3) is a severity level 3, person felony.
Missouri
566.090, Sexual misconduct, first degree, penalties
1. A person commits the crime of sexual misconduct in the first degree if he has deviate sexual intercourse with another person of the same sex or he purposely subjects another person to sexual contact or engages in conduct which would constitute sexual contact except that the touching occurs through the clothing without that person's consent.
2. Sexual misconduct in the first degree is a class A misdemeanor unless the actor has previously been convicted of an offense under this chapter or unless in the course thereof the actor displays a deadly weapon in a threatening manner or the offense is committed as a part of a ritual or ceremony, in which case it is a class D felony.
(L. 1977 S.B. 60, A.L. 1994 S.B. 693)
Effective 1-1-95
Oklahoma
§21-886 Crime Against Nature
Any person who is guilty of the detestable and abominable crime against nature, committed with mankind or with a beast, shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary for a period of not more than twenty (20) years. Any person convicted of a second violation of this section, where the victim of the second offense is a person under sixteen (16) years of age, shall not be eligible for probation, suspended or deferred sentence. Any person convicted of a third or subsequent violation of this section, where the victim of the third or subsequent offense is a person under sixteen (16) years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary for a term of life or life without parole, in the discretion of the jury, or in case the jury fails or refuses to fix punishment then the same shall be pronounced by the court.
R.L. 1910, § 2444. Amended by Laws 1992, c. 289, § 1, emerg. eff. May 25, 1992; Laws 1997, c. 133, § 263, eff. July 1, 1999; Laws 1997, c. 333, § 5, eff. July 1, 1999; Laws 1999, 1st Ex.Sess., c. 5, § 167, eff. July 1, 1999.
Texas
Sec. 21.06. Homosexual Conduct.
(a) A person commits an offense if he engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another individual of the same sex.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
Alabama
Section 13A-6-65 Sexual misconduct. (a) A person commits the crime of sexual misconduct if:
Being a male, he engages in sexual intercourse with a female without her consent, under circumstances other than those covered by Sections 13A-6-61 and 13A-6-62; or with her consent where consent was obtained by the use of any fraud or artifice; or Being a female, she engages in sexual intercourse with a male without his consent; or He or she engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another person under circumstances other than those covered by Sections 13A-6-63 and 13A-6-64. Consent is no defense to a prosecution under this subdivision.
(b) Sexual misconduct is a Class A misdemeanor.
(Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §2318.)
Florida
800.02 Unnatural and lascivious act
A person who commits any unnatural and lascivious act with another person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother's breast feeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this section.
History: s. 1, ch. 7361, 1917; RGS 5425; CGL 7568; s. 778, ch. 71-136; s. 2, ch. 93-4.
Idaho
18-6605. Crime Against Nature -- Punishment
Every person who is guilty of the infamous crime against nature, committed with mankind or with any animal, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not less than five (5) years.
18-6606. Crime Against Nature -- Penetration
Any sexual penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the crime against nature.
Louisiana
R.S. 14:89
A. Crime against nature is:
(1) The unnatural carnal copulation by a human being with another of the same or opposite sex or with an animal, except that anal sexual intercourse between two human beings shall not be deemed as a crime against nature when done under any of the circumstances described in R.S. 14:41, 14:42, 14:42.1 or 14:43. Emission is not necessary; and, when committed by a human being with another, the use of the genital organ of one of the offenders of whatever sex is sufficient to constitute the crime.
(2) The solicitation by a human being of another with intent to engage in any unnatural carnal copulation for compensation.
B. Whoever violates the provisions of this Section shall be fined for not more than two thousand dollars, or imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than five years, or both.
Amended by Acts 1975, No. 612,§ 1; Acts 1982, No. 703,§ 1.
Michigan
750.158 Crime against nature or sodomy; penalty. [M.S.A. 28.355]
Sec.158. Any person who shall commit the abominable and detestable crime against nature either with mankind or with any animal shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 15 years, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.
History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;--CL 1948, 750.158 ;--Am. 1952, Act 73, Eff. Sept. 18, 1952.
Former Law: See section 16 of Ch. 158 of R.S. 1846, being CL 1857, § 5871; CL 1871, § 7706; How., § 9292; CL 1897, § 11705; CL 1915, § 15479; CL 1929, § 16831; and Act 57 of 1923.
750.159 Emission need not be proved. [M.S.A. 28.356e]
Sec.159. In any prosecution for sodomy, it shall not be necessary to prove emission, and any sexual penetration, however slight, shall be deemed sufficient to complete the crime specified in the next preceding section.
History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;--CL 1948, 750.159 ;--Am. 1952, Act 73, Eff. Sept. 18, 1952.
Mississippi
§ 97-29-59. Unnatural intercourse.
Every person who shall be convicted of the detestable and abominable crime against nature committed with mankind or with a beast shall be punished by imprisonment in the penitentiary for a term of not more than ten years.
Sources: Codes Hutchinson's 1848 ch. 64 art. 12 Title 7(20); 1857 ch. 64 art. 238; 1871 § 2701; 1880 § 2968; 1892 § 1321; 1906 § 1396; Hemingway's 1917 § 1139; 1930 § 1170; 1942 § 2413.
North Carolina
14-177. Crime against nature
If any person shall commit the crime against nature, with mankind or beast, he shall be punished as a Class I felon.
South Carolina
Section 16-15-120. Buggery.
Whoever shall commit the abominable crime of buggery, whether with mankind or with beast, shall, on conviction, be guilty of felony and shall be imprisoned in the Penitentiary for five years or shall pay a fine of not less than five hundred dollars, or both, at the discretion of the court.
Utah
76-5-403. Sodomy, Forcible sodomy
(1) A person commits sodomy when the actor engages in any sexual act with a person who is 14 years of age or older involving the genitals of one person and mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant.
(2) A person commits forcible sodomy when the actor commits sodomy upon another without the other's consent.
(3) Sodomy is a class B misdemeanor. Forcible sodomy is a felony of the first degree.
Amended by Chapter 88, 1983 General Session
Virginia
§ 18.2-361 Crimes against nature
A. If any person carnally knows in any manner any brute animal, or carnally knows any male or female person by the anus or by or with the mouth, or voluntarily submits to such carnal knowledge, he or she shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony, except as provided in subsection B.
B. Any person who carnally knows by the anus or by or with the mouth his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, brother or sister, or father or mother shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. However, if a parent or grandparent commits any such act with his child or grandchild and such child or grandchild is at least thirteen but less than eighteen years of age at the time of the offense, such parent or grandparent shall be guilty of a Class 3 felony.
Guess what buddy, ALL of these laws are Constitutional. Like it or not.
No. 85-140
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
478 U.S. 186
March 31, 1986
June 30, 1986
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
Syllabus
After being charged with violating the Georgia statute criminalizing sodomy by committing that act with another adult male in the bedroom of his home, respondent Hardwick (respondent) brought suit in Federal District Court, challenging the constitutionality of the statute insofar as it criminalized consensual sodomy. The court granted the defendants' motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. The Court of Appeals reversed and remanded, holding that the Georgia statute violated respondent's fundamental rights.
Held: The Georgia statute is constitutional. Pp. 190-196 .
(a) The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. Pp. 190-191 .
(b) Against a background in which many States have criminalized sodomy and still do, to claim that a right to engage in such conduct is "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" is, at best, facetious. Pp. 191-194 .
(c) There should be great resistance to expand the reach of the Due Process Clauses to cover new fundamental rights. Otherwise, the Judiciary necessarily would take upon itself further authority to govern the country without constitutional authority. The claimed right in this case falls far short of overcoming this resistance. Pp. 194-195 .
(d) The fact that homosexual conduct occurs in the privacy of the home does not affect the result. Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557 , distinguished. Pp. 195-196 .
(e) Sodomy laws should not be invalidated on the asserted basis that majority belief that sodomy is immoral is an inadequate rationale to support the laws. P. 196 .
760 F.2d 1202, reversed. [p*187]
Opinions
WHITE, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and POWELL, REHNQUIST, and O'CONNOR, JJ., joined. BURGER, C.J., post, p. 196 , and POWELL, J., post, p. 197 , filed concurring opinions. BLACKMUN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BRENNAN, MARSHALL, and STEVENS, JJ., joined, post, p. 199 . STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BRENNAN and MARSHALL, JJ., joined, post, p. 214 .
Where do you suppose the Framers got their ideas of individual liberty, equal justice, and personal accountability from, andy_card? Or the idea that men must not perform certain types of offenses against other men, in order for there to be a just, stable society? That justice and goodness have a Source and standard that is greater than mere government -- that even government derives its just powers from a Source beyond itself? That there is such a thing as human rights that are unalienable precisely because they derive from and conform with man's God-created dignity that no just government may infringe?
Do you suppose the Framers just suddenly started spontaneously hatching bright ideas one fine day, out of "whole cloth?" That they just decided to sit around hallucinating together, and that's how they wrote our foundational document -- on a "blank slate" -- in a brainstorming session that never at any point referenced their culture and history?
Or do you suppose that their education and culture might have had something to do with the way these men thought -- and designed?
Protestant Christianity. Moore used the King James Version of the Ten Commandments, which is different than the version recognized by the Catholic Church, which is different than that found in most Torahs. And even were Moore to contain all three popular versions of the Ten Commandments (something he has refused to do), he would still be establishing Judaeo-Christianity over all other religions. This is as open-and-shut a case as you can find.
The only thing constitutional being broken is the Federal Judge proclaiming that the Ten Commandment display is unconstitutional.
Huh? Where exactly in the Constitution does it say that the Judiciary cannot hold the power of Judicial Review? Where also does it say that the Federal Judiciary does not have supremacy over inferior state courts? You're making this up as you go along, aren't you?
He is exploiting his government position to promote his religion, on government property, to the detriment of those religions not promoted. If this isn't establishment, nothing is.
"You are listening to WGOD, all misinterpretations, all the time. Make sure you dont miss 'Fire & Brimstone Hour' this sunday evening"
LOL!!
What I find so intersting about all the verbal gymnastics that people use is this: God said He wrote the law in everyone's hearts, so they would have no excuse.
I believe some people actually think that on Judgement Day, they believe they will hire a lawyer to be at their side and then commence to argue with the Lord.
I have a feeling that is going to be a one-way conversation.
What is ironic about it? The failure to live up to the standard, isn't it? We agree on the standard. But that standard in our history came from the Scriptural truth that their is no partiality with God.
Cordially,
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