Judge Moore Ain't Removing Ten Commandments (FOX NEWS)

[Dallas]

You gotta love this guy....

[MattinNJ]

Could get interesting. Suppose Bush (I don't think he would) tells the Governor to remove it and the Governor tells him to pound sand. The Feds send troops in to remove it and the Governor has the State Troopers form a blockade in front of it. The ultimate smackdown over States rights vs. Federal rights.

Here's one Yankee that hopes the right side prevails this time. I don't have a gun, but would be more than willing to bring down my baseball bats and play a little "Jersey baseball" on one of those stormtrooper's heads if you accept help from Northerners.

[Dallas]

I have no idea of her nationality...

[FreeTally]

Good read. The author makes many good points throughout. The only problem I have is that the author makes a typical error that both Christians and those critical of the Bible do - he forgets the distinction between Old Covenant and New Covenant. Once Jesus died, the "Old Testiment" punishments for violating the Ten Commandments or "God's law" were no longer valid. The Age of Grace began, and we could be forgiven through Christ - something that couldn't happen before Christ died.

[SwinneySwitch]

How about: "...and may G*d have mercy on your soul."

[Ready2go]

RepublicanHippy wrote: That woman lawyer who was on O'Reily last night is Middle Eastern isn't she? She sure has a lot of nads telling us what to do, especially post 9/11.

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Amen RepublicanHippy...That's what it looked like to me. And if we stand by and say nothing by being with the PC crowd....everyone will be bowing their heads to Mecca or they won't have a head.

"They" don't give you a choice!

[apillar]

"I'm glad he told them to go -F- themselves.
That's an ironic choice of words coming from a supporter of the 10 Commandments.
Luckily the command "Thou shalt not cuss" was the 14th commandment, on the ill-fated tablet dropped by Moses."

Probably wasn't my most articulate post (done in the heat of the moment and all). But the -F- word is not a violation of the 10 commandments because it does not "Take the name of the lord in vain."

And although I am a supporter of the 10 commandments, I'm not a practicing jew or christian although my beliefs lean closer in that direction than, say, Hinduism. I don't think you have to be a devout christian or jew to respect the influence of ten commandments on our legal system and constitution and it's place as one of the first "code of laws" of the ancient world.

[chimera]

Maybe its now mounted in such a way that it would require "destructive disassembly". I helped install a granite-base testing table that, once mounted, couldn't be moved except by explosives, which was what had to be done when that building was decommissioned. Sometimes large, heavy objects can be moved until they're set in place, and then, well, extraordinary measures need to be taken to remove them.

[pgyanke]

"So, you are saying they meant for violations of the Ten Commandments to be punished by government?"

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Do you truly think that is being argued here or are you just arguing for fun?

The Ten Commandments are the FOUNDATION of our laws...not the laws themselves. Others have spoken to the history of English law better so I'll let those stand.

What the founding fathers set up was a country that respected the rights of the citizens to exercise their free will as given them by God. We are not to be told how to worship nor whom to worship and our conduct should only be regulated in how it meshes with the rights of others.

To say that a "monument" is an establishment of religion is laughable (or would be) especially considering its placement among other historical documents. Judge Moore hasn't "established" a religion nor given any impression that you will be prosecuted in his court for violating the Sabbath.

[Dave S]

How does the posting of these "irrelevant" commandments in an Alabama courthouse harm you? Are you really worried that you might be tried and convicted of creating and bowing down to a graven image?

You responded to his question with a question. How about you answer his first. BTW, I didnt see him say that posting these commandments harms anyone UNLESS you say they carry the weight of US law. Then you've joined the Taliban.

[Kerberos]

"Posting the Ten Commandments on public property in no way violates the First Amendment"

I am glad that you are such a supporter of First Amendment rights.

Now, I happen to be a Buddhist and I think that in addition to having the Ten Commandments on display at the courthouse we should also have the Four Noble Truths on display as well, at taxpayer expense of course.

Now you wouldn't have a problem with that would you?

[FreeTally]

I'm not sure what your original reply was about. You said "Civil Laws! Think!!".

The only thing I can imply is that you think you could find recourse in a civil court for someone's disobedience of the Ten Commandments.

"Blue laws" and such are irrelevent. They are simply mob rule and are way off track from this discussion.

[nicmarlo]

Why is he right?

Because he is exercising his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS: he is not establishing any law regarding religion; he and all of us, shall not be enjoined from the FREE EXERCISE of religion. He also states that the Ten Commandments are of historical significance to our Country....and it is.

[Mark Felton]

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227

"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:211, Papers 1:135

"[These are] the rights which God and the laws have given equally and independently to all." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:185, Papers 1:121

"God... has formed us moral agents... that we may promote the happiness of those with whom He has placed us in society, by acting honestly towards all, benevolently to those who fall within our way, respecting sacredly their rights, bodily and mental, and cherishing especially their freedom of conscience, as we value our own." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814. ME 14:197

"I have no fear, but that the result of our experiment will be, that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master. Could the contrary of this be proved, I should conclude either that there is no God, or that He is a malevolent being." --Thomas Jefferson to David Hartley, 1787. ME 6:151

"[God has bestowed] reason ... as the umpire of truth." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814. ME 14:197

[HamiltonJay]

Hell with the National Guard, the good people of America should form a human blockade around that monument! This is our country dammit, not leftist judge can take that away by fiat.

[nicmarlo]

We need to do more of this civil disobedience

We are seeing it....there's also the Tombstone Militia, protecting our country, their town, from illegal immigrants, possible terrorists, coming in through our borders.

[chimera]

Yeah.

And how long did that image last in the peoples minds? Poor little ol' Elian was forgotten even before he landed in Havana.

Not by me. That image will haunt me for the rest of my days. Under Clinton, that could have been anybody's child who got in the way of the self-annointed one.

[marshmallow]

For those who believe that all sanity is being lost from this country with the hellish destruction of all reference to God in public life, it's good to know that somewhere on earth, common sense is returning.

Where? Russia. That's right. Russia. That former world-leader of religious persecution and all things spiritual is now allowing religion in its schools. Like St.Paul, who first persecuted the early Church and then became its greatest missionary, Russia too, has begun to be a part of the solution, rather than a part of the problem.

Schools to Teach Orthodox Culture

Maybe soon it will begin to send out missionaries to the newly pagan west

[breakem]

how about that! and yours as well

[nicmarlo]

I am quite certain that God Himself is looking upon this man's actions with favor

Of this, there is NO DOUBT; and God will bless him for this....and just maybe this is the catalyst for something even greater....

[DeathfromBelow]

Now, I happen to be a Buddhist and I think that in addition to having the Ten Commandments on display at the courthouse we should also have the Four Noble Truths on display as well, at taxpayer expense of course.

Now you wouldn't have a problem with that would you?


Yes, I do, because our country wasn't founded by Buddists. And, you aren't the Judge. Run for Office, get elected Chief Judge, and you can try to do whatever you want.