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Nancy Pelosi is not a 'conservative Catholic'; anti-life stance creates scandal within Church
American Life League ^ | 11-18-02 | staff

Posted on 11/18/2002 7:41:21 PM PST by doug from upland

AMERICAN LIFE LEAGUE NEWSROOM

Nancy Pelosi is not a 'conservative Catholic'; anti-life stance creates scandal within Church

"In recent media appearances, new House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has been described as a conservative Catholic," said American Life League president Judie Brown. "This disturbs me. I want her bishop to know that her public opposition to Catholic teachings is creating scandal among faithful members of the Church. It is my prayer that he will respond accordingly."

Mrs. Brown has written Archbishop William Levada of San Francisco that Rep. Pelosi (D-Calif.) is one of "many members of Congress who claim Catholicism as their creed while doing everything they can to undermine basic teachings of the Church and the Biblical principles upon which those teachings are based. And people listen to them."

Rep. Pelosi has voted repeatedly in favor of pro-abortion legislation, and has reportedly hosted representatives of the strident pro-abortion organization "Catholics for a Free Choice" in her congressional offices. "There is danger that this behavior will lead others to sin," said Mrs. Brown. "In Catholic Church terms, this is scandal."

According to Section 2284 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, "Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor's tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense."

"The Catholic hierarchy must be made aware that the public behavior of pro-abortion political figures such as Nancy Pelosi, who claim solidarity with the Catholic faith, creates an extremely dangerous situation for other Catholics," said Mrs. Brown. "It is our hope that Archbishop Levada -- and other shepherds of the Church -- will call these politicians to task for their belligerent and insistent promotion of abortion, an act which, according to Church teaching, is a grievous sin. Souls are at stake. We pray for Rep. Pelosi, that she may repent of her continued advocacy of child killing."

Release issued: 18 Nov 02


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykiller; catholics; excommunicate; infanticide; partialbirthmurder
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To: berned
U.S. Catholics vote OVERWHELMINGLY Democrat.

Lie.

http://members.aol.com/jimcast/id30.htm

You'll see that in only two years out of eight was the Catholic vote more than 50% for Democrats. Three times the Catholic vote was over 50% for the Republicans. Or are you too stupid to understand what the word 'overwhelmingly' means?

Catholics might have been even more pro-Republican in 2000 if it hadn't been for Bush's hesitation in dissociating himself from anti-Catholic bigots like yourself early in the campaign.

Incidentally, observant Catholics tend to vote more heavily Republican than non-observant ones.

61 posted on 11/19/2002 12:45:27 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: berned
Does Roman Catholicism have any figures representing the percentage of Catholics who are "Practising Catholics"?

Somewhere between 30% and 40% of self-identified Catholics in the US attend Mass weekly, or almost weekly.

But since you're here Campion, let me ask you (not trying to start a flame war) WHY exactly do Catholics NOT vote Republican?

They can't stand the Christian love, kindness, warmth, and acceptance they get from Republicans like you. Too rich for their metabolism.

Did you read the link?

62 posted on 11/19/2002 12:45:29 PM PST by Campion
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To: Texas Mom
Yea I know but the democrats give us so many other things."

I've asked Campion his opinions also on why RCCs so ardently support the Democrats.

Are you saying they put personal comfort and financial gain ahead of God and morality?

That would argue that merely baptising a baby has no effect whatsoever on their life choices. It merely allows the Vatican to grossly inflate their "worldwide numbers".

63 posted on 11/19/2002 12:46:18 PM PST by berned
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To: Campion
As, for example, the Bob Jones University incident; 'Dr.' Ian Paisley, 'spiritual' leader of the mobs who burned Catholic families out of their homes in Northern Ireland in 1969, got his honorary 'doctorate' from Bob Jones.
64 posted on 11/19/2002 12:48:55 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: berned
I've asked Campion his opinions also on why RCCs so ardently support the Democrats.

Repeating a lie just makes it worse. Check out the statistics, bigot.

65 posted on 11/19/2002 12:50:05 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Campion
They can't stand the Christian love, kindness, warmth, and acceptance they get from Republicans like you. Too rich for their metabolism.

So you seem to be saying that Catholics do not act based on what God says in the Bible.

They have to be cajoled in some way, "bribed" by either financial gain, or some kind of emotional touchy-feely ecumenicalism before they will vote responsibly?

People go into the voting booth ALL ALONE. They answer, ultimately to GOD, not Jerry Fallwell or me.

The way you describe Catholics, they sound like the blacks who won't vote unless there is some financial gain involved. Morality is not what motivates them but rather having their personal nest feathered in some way.

Interesting.

66 posted on 11/19/2002 12:51:36 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
So you seem to be saying that Catholics do not act based on what God says in the Bible. God says in the Bible "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Your statement that Catholics vote overwhelmingly Democratic is clearly bearing false witness. So why don't we start by explaining why you did what the eighth commandment says not to so? (oops, you guys have a different numbering system, don't you, I guess that would be the ninth?)
67 posted on 11/19/2002 12:56:37 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: berned
So you seem to be saying that Catholics do not act based on what God says in the Bible.

People who are voting pro-abort aren't "acting based on what God says in the Bible," whether they're Catholics, Baptists, Buddhists, Zoroastrians ...

That's practically tautological. Of course, they may be doing it out of ignorance or just plain stupidity.

OTOH, Catholics who actually practice Catholicism and believe in it, don't vote pro-abort. For instance, there are some guys in my Opus Dei meetings who make you look like a flaming liberal.

68 posted on 11/19/2002 1:00:42 PM PST by Campion
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To: berned
That would argue that merely baptising a baby has no effect whatsoever on their life choices.

Judas Iscariot was circumcised a Jew on the eighth day. What effect did that have on his "life choices"?

69 posted on 11/19/2002 1:03:04 PM PST by Campion
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To: Right Wing Professor
"Catholics keep voting Democratic. In 1996, 54% of Catholics went for Bill Clinton, 38% for Bob Dole. They were among the few groups whose 1996 support for the president increased over its 1992 level. To be sure, the percentage of Catholics who identify themselves as practicing has declined quite sharply, from 73% in 1960 to 46% in 1996.

But even among "active" Catholics, who attend Mass weekly, 44%, a hefty plurality, supported Clinton, while 47% voted for Dole. (These figures are taken from a Crisis magazine survey of Catholic voting patterns in November 1998 and June 1999.) "

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/48/story_4816_1.html

70 posted on 11/19/2002 1:07:44 PM PST by berned
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To: Campion
What a mind-bogglingly dishonest reply.
71 posted on 11/19/2002 1:08:26 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
But even among "active" Catholics, who attend Mass weekly, 44%, a hefty plurality, supported Clinton, while 47% voted for Dole. (These figures are taken from a Crisis magazine survey of Catholic voting patterns in November 1998 and June 1999.) "

So, so far we have active Catholics going 47% to 44% for Dole over Clinton in 1996, and 57% to (less than) 43% for Bush in 2000. Care to post any more evidence that proves you wrong?

72 posted on 11/19/2002 1:10:42 PM PST by Campion
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To: berned
What a mind-bogglingly dishonest reply.

Your #70? I agree.

73 posted on 11/19/2002 1:11:17 PM PST by Campion
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To: Right Wing Professor
Catholics might have been even more pro-Republican in 2000 if it hadn't been for Bush's hesitation in dissociating himself from anti-Catholic bigots like yourself early in the campaign

So catholic "morality" is defined by human associations and political affiliations -- not THE BIBLE?????

74 posted on 11/19/2002 1:11:24 PM PST by berned
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To: Campion
Wow, You sure are clever.
75 posted on 11/19/2002 1:12:09 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
So catholic "morality" is defined by human associations and political affiliations -- not THE BIBLE?????

You still haven't read the link. What are you afraid of?

76 posted on 11/19/2002 1:13:22 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
What can we offer catholics for their vote?

Maybe you catholics can come up with a "dollar figure" that we can bribe your numbers with to vote Republican so we can get rid of Roe v Wade. What would that be worth to y'all?

Regarding your link, Campion -- YOU shrug off the reams and reams of Scripture I have posted to you over the yeras that you let go by without even acknowledging. So your link will just have to go unread.

77 posted on 11/19/2002 1:18:23 PM PST by berned
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To: Campion
Evangelicals vote over 90% Republican year after year after year, without having to be cajoled, or threatened, or shamed into it, or bribed by financial gain in any way.

There is no thread like this bemoaning evangelical lack of support for getting rid of abortion.

78 posted on 11/19/2002 1:22:12 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
Regarding your link, Campion -- YOU shrug off the reams and reams of Scripture I have posted to you over the yeras that you let go by without even acknowledging. So your link will just have to go unread.

This post pretty much speaks for itself. Someday, Jesus will want to you to answer for how you spent your time. This is going to be some of the evidence that will be presented against you.

Incidentally, "reams and reams of Scripture"? Most of your posts don't contain any Scripture at all, they contain devious attempts to trip up Catholics so you can pounce on them.

79 posted on 11/19/2002 1:25:24 PM PST by Campion
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To: berned
Evangelicals vote over 90% Republican year after year after year

The evangelical vote elected Jimmy Carter. He was "one of us". Maybe you don't remember that; I do.

80 posted on 11/19/2002 1:27:12 PM PST by Campion
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