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Nancy Pelosi is not a 'conservative Catholic';
anti-life stance creates scandal within Church
American Life League ^
| 11-18-02
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Posted on 11/18/2002 7:41:21 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: conservonator
Do you consider Rev. Jesse Jackson & Rev. Ralph Abernathy & Rev. Al Sharpton to be "Evangelicals" -- identical to Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson and Franklyn Graham and politicians like G W Bush and Ashcroft?
That's what the poster that I responded to alleged.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:33:02 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
By the way, among the candidates running for the GOP nomination in 2000, who were the most vigorous defenders of the unborn? Name two or three.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:33:30 PM PST
by
Campion
To: Campion
Politically -- they CAN'T defend the unborn. Votes for the Democrats (tens of millions of which are Roman Catholics) have made Roe v Wade the political third rail. Assailing it is now political suicide for national politicians.
But in the DARKNESS AND PRIVACY of the VOTING BOOTH, there is no "political correctness" or ramifications.
There is just moral conviction -- or lack thereof.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:38:55 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
Assailing it is now political suicide for national politicians. Fine: they committed political suicide. What were their names?
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:41:01 PM PST
by
Campion
To: berned
While you're thinking about it, name some of the strongest opponents of Roe v. Wade on the Supreme Court. Two or three will do.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:43:50 PM PST
by
Campion
To: berned
If Falwell, Graham and Robertson were the only evangelicals out there, I might agree, but, since Schwaggart, Van Impe, Baker and the like share the airwaves with the others, I cant say that I see your point. Especial when you take a look at someone like Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson. Your comment was telling, and not flattering.
To: conservonator
Especial = Especially
To: Campion
Why are you changing the subject away from Catholic hypocricy vis-a-vis Abortion?
Abortion is now the law of the land. Only if the Democrats lose massive support will there be any possibility of it being overturned, and with even 53 per cent of "practicing Catholics" voting for them, (along with even larger numbers of "lapsed catholics") there is no chance of overcoming those numbers.
A better question to ask is: "Why do Roman Catholics strengthen the Party of Abortion with their votes when they supposedly KNOW the Pope is against abortion?"
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:58:42 PM PST
by
berned
To: conservonator
What does Jimmy Swaggert have to do with this discussion?
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:59:55 PM PST
by
berned
To: conservonator
What does Jimmy Swaggert have to do with this discussion?
Do you have a point, or are you just an Evangelical hater?
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:00:45 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
Why are you changing the subject away from Catholic hypocricy vis-a-vis Abortion? Why aren't you answering my simple questions? Here, I'll tell you why:
Defenders of the unborn among GOP presidential candidates: Roman Catholic Alan Keyes. Among Supreme Court justices, Roman Catholic Clarence Thomas and Roman Catholic Antonin Scalia, along with (Lutheran) William Rehnquist.
Funny, the two most pro-abort justices on the Supreme Court are Jewish. If Souter and Ginsburg turned pro-life, Roe v. Wade could be overturned tomorrow. Yet all you can do is blame the Catholics, when 2/3rds of the Catholic SCOTUS justices are two of the most reliable pro-life votes on the Court.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:07:05 PM PST
by
Campion
To: Campion
Supreme Court Justices are nominated and CONFIRMED by President and Senate. Those are political entities.
They require VOTES to get in office.
Good try though.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:12:04 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
what does Jimmy Swaggert have to do with this discussion? Do you have a point, or are you just an Evangelical hater?
You mentioned several white evangelicals (two of which I have a respect and a certain level of admiration for) as a contrast to several black scoundrels who misuse the pulpit and sully their titles. I cited Swaggert, among others, as an example of a white minister that has also misused his position with in a Christian organization to illustrate the fact that contrary to your assertations, black christians, as you put it, are not necessarily an entirely different animal. To further support this position I even cited an example of a black conservative evangelical Christian. What kind of animal he in berneds world?
To: berned
Yeah, thanks, I've read the Constitution.
Now maybe you'd like to answer why you're trashing Catholics when they make up 2/3rds of the pro-life votes on the SCOTUS, and provided the most ardently pro-life GOP candidate in the last Presidential election?
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:16:47 PM PST
by
Campion
To: conservonator
Ok. Outside of the little-known Jesse Lee Peterson, name a national black preacher that is AGAINST the Party of Abortion & Homosexuality, as virtuially EVERY Evangelical Preacher is.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:21:07 PM PST
by
berned
To: Campion
Um...... because they were NOMINATED AND CONFIRMED by REPUBLICANS who were EL:ECTED by the financial sacrifices and hard work of (among others) Evangelical Christians.
And these NOMINATIONS AND CONFIRMATIONS came over the heated and organized opposition of the Democrat Party that recieves so many votes and so much money from everyday rank and file Roman Catholics.
Um.... that would be my point.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:24:52 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
Just keep bangin' away there, Campion. Eventually, after so many hundred posts, you may finally hit some angle that will work well for you.
Also, maybe you could have 3 or 4 more Catholics jump in against me alone. That would be good.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:29:26 PM PST
by
berned
To: berned
who were ELECTED by the financial sacrifices and hard work of (among others) Evangelical Christians. And conservative, pro-life Catholics like me.
I have to ask you flat out: Do you work for the DNC? Are you a professional disruptor? Because if you aren't, you're doing a great job of telling Catholics that the GOP is the party of Catholic haters and nativist bigots, who give Catholics zero credit for being on their side; in short, that the GOP isn't for them. And that's certainly something the DNC would like Catholics to believe. I've been a Republican all of my life; I've never felt that the party hated Catholics the way you obviously do.
If you are a professional disruptor, you're very skilled. But you should get lost.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:31:58 PM PST
by
Campion
To: berned
you may finally hit some angle that will work well for you No, I think I'll bow to your obvious professionalism in advancing the Democrat agenda.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:33:07 PM PST
by
Campion
To: berned
But even among "active" Catholics, who attend Mass weekly, 44%, a hefty plurality, supported Clinton, while 47% voted for Dole. So your definition of 'overwhelming majority ' is 'fewer than the other guy got'?
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