Germans call Churchill a war criminal (HOLD MEIN BIER...YET AGAIN)

The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 19, 2002 | Kate Connolly

[ctnoell]

The U.K. and America stomped Germany's *ss twice last century. With comments like this, and its continued interference with the War on Terrorism, we may have to do it again.

[dfwgator]

Herr Goebbels asked if the German people wanted "Total War", they said "Ja." Be careful what you ask for.

[dfwgator]

Should've given the rest of Germany to Poland after the war.

[Mr. Mojo]

Did anyone hear the Islamist claim that not signing Kyoto is one of the reasons why they are terrorizing us?

Yup, I heard that yesterday for the first time, and I couldn't believe what I was reading. It's a safe bet that 99.999 percent of the Islamic world has absolutely no idea what The Kyoto Treaty is, and the ones who do know don't give a chit about it.

The Euros have committed suicide by allowing Muslims to spread over their continent like the black plague, and they desire that we share the same fate. They [the EU] has been encouraging the Jihadists of the world for decades now.

[John Lenin]

The French and Germans are trying to get even for WWII. It's plain as day.

[KiaKaha]

Thank you for the objectivity, the tone of this thread has been rapidly going downhill since its original posting.
The "Bild" is tabloidism (did I make-up a new word?)at its worst.

The problem is people are biting, apparantly without thinking. How would Americans like to be judged as a society based on the National Enquirer? Or the fact the Clinton was democratically the "leader" of your country for some time (yes I know Clinton and leader is a contridiction).

The targeting of non-combatents is unfortunate, but war is war and in the case of Germany in WW2 largly justified.

What is a worry is the venimence of some of the comments, the inability to differenciate between a baker and a concentration camp guard, after all the collective responsibility some of you seem so fond of was after all a NAZI idea. To put it simply (and I feel some posters really do need it simply)it is my belief that if some of the owners of these comments had grown up in Germany in the 1930's they would have actually been Nazi's.

[nathanbedford]

I think the english newspaper article is deliberately misleading and provocative with a cynical design to build readership.

[VaBthang4]

[Brian Allen]

<< It seems that every 50 years or so the Germans go stark, raving mad. >>


And so, let US not forget, does their "Eastern-values" oriented, [Twentieth-century tally: forty millions murdered] Axis ally, Japan.

As does whatever psychopathological mob of invading, conquering, enslaving, mass-murdering, [Ninety millions dead since 1948 -- and counting] lying, looting, thieving, Peking-based gangster bastards is calling itself "china" at the time.

Shalom Shalom

[MadIvan]

It may not be verbatim but that is basically what Winston Churchill had to say about the election (and he was voted back into office just a few years later).

His wife said to him: "Perhaps it's a blessing in disguise."

Winston replied, "If it's a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised."

Regards, Ivan

[weegee]

I'm sure that there were employees at Jewish owned factories, or customers of a Jewish baker, who saw the Nazi state seize the Jewish owned businesses or smash their windows, and make them "disappear" into ghettos.

There were those who saw what was happening and got out. The tactic of bombing cities grew as planes became powerful enough to safely fly considerable amounts of explosives over a city.

Air battles came into being with WWI.

Disney has an animated film called Victory Through Airpower that generally gets omitted from the list of "animated features" (it has been preserved, it was shown from a reportedly pristine archive print at a private retrospective for one of the animators around 10 years ago).

Its odd that a publication would choose now to lash out at England for bombing cities (and colateral damage). The juxtaposition would seem to be to paint Great Britain (and more specifically, Churchill) as war criminals. Demoralize England before we start bombing Iraq. The article becomes offensive when it omits the details of Germany's bombing operations (and missle program), Japan's biological warfare development, WWI's chemical warfare, and sidestepping completely the Holocaust and treatment of POWs.

[weegee]

There was a retraction on the news stories about that Kyoto note (saying that we were being attacked for not signing it). I'm sure that it was wishful thinking on the part of some leftists (and it helps to mobilize their base).

[weegee]

Should have saved a nuke for Germany bump

I thought that the fire bombing of Dresden was supposed to have done more damage (but without the radioactive fallout).

[The KG9 Kid]

"... Why should we wait for them to start Wrold War Three? Aren't two lessons already enough? Is it not better to save the world the trouble and crush the bug right now?"

Bartender! Medic!

[weegee]

I don't think that such study on a weekly basis would be healthy. They should know about it, but if they dwell on it some might feel depressed over something their ancestors did or some resentment at other nations for their own "sins".

I wasn't alive during segregation; I can't get a genuine feel for how things were or why some people were so adamant that some people be excluded from using a bathroom or drinking fountain (or sitting in a restaurant, etc). I can make a judgement call that it was wrong, feel some remorse over the past but I did nothing to effect those wrongs and there is nothing I can do to make up for it. I can make every effort to not step on peoples' toes and commit my own transgressions.

There are those educators in America who want to dwell on the scandalous elements of America's past while ignoring the basic details or setting things into perspective in a total world view of how things were in 17xx, 18xx, 193x...

There are those who are outraged that founding presidents of this nation held slaves. There are slaves in the world today but those who hold rage can't be bothered to work at changing this.

I do not fear invasion from Japan or Germany. But at the same time, I have an "uncle" who immigrated to the US and was a paratrooper into Europe in WWII. He has a brother who remained in Poland to sympathize with the Nazis. He wrote him off during the war and still refuses to try to meet with him.

[weegee]

World War III was fought and we won (the Cold War). We even gave out medals. The Soviet Union is no longer a threat, we sort of implemented regime change.

International communism no longer appears to be a threat (although we've had creeping socialism here since the 1920s). The global socialist-anarchists are growing in number (they are the ones rioting in the streets around the world raging against capitalism). I don't see them acting on behalf of any country but they are working from inside this country and out (I don't know why our government grants the foreign nationals in this cause travel visas).

[longjack]

I think Tedeschi means Teuton.

The Italians use Germania when referring to the country of Germany, and Tedeschi when referring to the German language, IIRC.

longjack

[weegee]

The victors get to write the history books. Thus, in the Civil War, the United States put down a rebellion that sought to divide a nation. Yet, America fought for its indepedence from an overseas monarchy (to identify and protect undeniable freedoms).

Texas won its independence from Mexico but there are those today who want us to honor all of the war dead (from both sides) at the San Jacinto Monument (buried in unmarked graves). When Reagan went to a German cemetary where there were nazis (including SS officers) he committed a major blunder. Multiculturalism would now appear to permit such activity.

[Da_Shrimp]

Cheers for the ping, Ivan. Bloody unbelievable!

I mentioned this article to Agnieszka (my wife), who happens to be Polish: she couldn't stop laughing at their cheek. Well, laughing, then angry.

This time last year we visited Warsaw and she was showed me the various places that massaces happened and the photos in the museum showing what was left of the city after the Germans had finished with it. I have no sympathy for the Germans.

[longjack]

Unlike the National Enquirer, the 'Bild Zeitung' is a daily newspaper with a large, national circulation. In that sense, the publishing of this series is reaching a lot of people.

Yes, the 'Bild Zeitung" has a sleazy side. The German's will tell you that "when you roll it up to put it in your pocket, blood drips out".

On the other hand, the sport's section is good, and the entire paper is written to give people a quick, albeit sensational, view of current events. This paper is what Germans would buy to read on the commute, etc., while waiting to read the more detailed Local papers when they got home.

"Bild Zeitung" usually has a novel or something like this as a serial. A reader can read a chapter a day on the way to work.

Regardless of the quality of the paper, a lot of Germans are reading this.

longjack