[exodus]

"...The libertarian political program is superior to the conservative one, because it measures its goals against constant and measurable ideas - freedom, limited government, the rule of law. Conservatism is forced to defend whatever the status quo is in society, whether it's a status quo of freedom, or a status quo of tyranny..."
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That would also explain why liberals can change society, but conservatives can't change it back.

Ever notice how our government becomes more and more socialist over time? It's because liberals get socialist laws passed, and conservatives accept those socialist laws as something that can't be changed.

Conservatives fight against socialist changes, but once the change is make, the fight is over.

[CWRWinger]

RE: Post #229<p.So very true!

[CWRWinger]

Conservatives fight against socialist changes,

An exception to that is the "Homeland Security (tyranny) Bill". Conservatives and neo-conservatives are supporting the unnecessary increase of government and doing the lefts' bidding.

[Chapita]

Please remove my name from your "ping" list!

[Enterprise]

I would have to agree with that premise. Many of us conservatives are angry with the liberals and we want their programs stopped and reversed. But, by nature, conservatives are a gyroscope to society. Sadly, we - and the Republican Candidates, have yet to be sufficiently energized to do what needs to be done to reverse the travesties of the RATS. Maybe in about 100 years the Libertarians will have sufficient power to enact their agenda, but I doubt it.

[u-89]

Wow- I go away for a few hours and see 150 more posts on this thread when I return. I am surprised by the attention this one got and exodus I admire your stamina.

Conservatives fight against socialist changes, but once the change is made, the fight is over.

That is something that needs repeating, loud and often. Way too many haven't caught on to that sad fact yet. Career politicians by definition want to remain in office and that requires retaining political viability. Controversial issues and resurrecting lost causes are things to be avoided. Don't give opponents an issue to use against you. Just keep moving foward, there is a golden retirement package ahead and a lucrative lobbying job too. Just remain viable, that's all that is required.

[AdamSelene235]

Ever notice how our government becomes more and more socialist over time? It's because liberals get socialist laws passed, and conservatives accept those socialist laws as something that can't be changed.

Socialism is in the interest of the political classes and that of incumbent businesses.

Check out the article in my profile entitlted "corporatism" for an excellent articulation of the problem.

[galt-jw]

Conservatives fight against socialist changes, but once the change is make, the fight is over.

This is false. The inertia of socialism is not reversed, only retarded by conservative compromise. Conservatives at no time have actually advocated extremely limited government, as of late. They have merely "gone along with the drift, just didn't swim."

In the same way, they have compromised at each devaluation of liberty along the way.

It would help if we could list the rights we have gained and the percent of government NECESSARY we have reduced since we have placed our trust where it now lies.

[185JHP]

Thanks for the ping.

[Askel5]

because it measures its goals against constant and measurable ideas

Like "personal values" and "happiness". =)