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To: exodus
The Founding Fathers disagreed with Libertarianism's refusal to honor the rights of our society, our nation and our governments.

"Every man, and every body of men on earth, possesses the right of self-government. They receive it with their being from the hand of nature. Individuals exercise it by their single will; collections of men by that of their majority; for the law of the majority is the natural law of every society of men." --Thomas Jefferson

"That every power vested in a government is in its nature sovereign, and includes, by force of the term, a right to employ all the means requisite and fairly applicable to the attainment of the ends of such power, and which are not precluded by restrictions and exceptions specified in the Constitution, or not immoral, or not contrary to the essential ends of political society." -- Alexander Hamilton

"But the constitution of the United States has not left the right of Congress to employ the necessary means, for the execution of the powers conferred on the government, to general reasoning. To its enumeration of powers is added that of making 'all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution, in the government of the United States, or in any department thereof.' " -- United States Supreme Court, McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)


205 posted on 11/20/2002 1:57:39 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
To: exodus
"The Founding Fathers disagreed with Libertarianism's refusal to honor the rights of our society, our nation and our governments..."
# 205 by Roscoe
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Libertarians don't refuse to honor the "rights" of our governments, Roscoe. We point out that God-given rights are the province of men, NOT of governmental bodies.

Society is merely a word to personify our culture; it has nether rights nor power.

Governments have the POWER to create and administer law, and to compel obedience.

"Power" does not mean 'God-given right." The power of a government comes not by God-given right, but by man-made law.

215 posted on 11/20/2002 2:25:58 AM PST by exodus
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