Posted on 11/18/2002 7:26:58 AM PST by Jack Black
"...So maybe it isn't Conservativism itself, but the spineless politicians who have risen to the leadership positions who need to be admonished. That said, I have a very stong libertarian streak in me."
You could very well be right. Maybe they're not socialists, but just don't have the courage to fight for a return to Constitutional government.
Either way, whether coward or socialist, our "conservative" labeled Republicans are helping Democrats destroy our free society.
The only hope I see is voting in third party conservative candidates. Republicans are a lost cause.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
And when people who "show a familiarity with the Constitution" are labeled "possible domestic terrorists."
Southern Idaho (i.e., most of the frickin' state, thankyewverymuch) most assuredly has a water problem, unless you use non-Libertarian methods (public water projects) to impound water.
As for Northern Idaho, kindly refer to my other remarks--namely, that thinly populated places are usually thinly populated for good reason. Northern Idaho would have a difficult time accomodating another 20,000 residents.
And you'd need closer to 500,000 than 20,000 bodies, anyway.
To: nopardons
For all the good that did, smarticus.
Now we have the Patriot Act, passed by Republican Congressmen, and signed by a Republican President, that gives our government officials the power to confiscate our guns without a warrant, even secretly, without notifying us that it was a government agent who took our weapons.
MSCASEY, it's far better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all remaining doubts, as you just did.
"...Southern Idaho (i.e., most of the frickin' state, thankyewverymuch) most assuredly has a water problem, unless you use non-Libertarian methods (public water projects) to impound water..."
I wouldn't have a have a problem with State funded public water projects, Poohbah.
So how many of us up here should quit using our wells? I guess according to someone it should belong to the government and not us then we can pay them for water right? MCDTo: MSCASEY
Don't be so quick with your judgemental attitude, Poohbah.
The farmers of Klamath Falls paid to build their lake, and had legal title to the water. They OWNED the water; it was theirs.
The government still charged them to use the water.
Deep subject, huh? :o)
You accused the supporters of "Free State" of not wanting to answer your question of water usage. It now seems that your "facts" were invented.
North Idaho is the wet end of the state. Southern Idaho would not be the spud-growing paradise it is without extensive (and very non-Libertarian) public water projects.
Do you have any links to back up your claim that Idaho is suffering a water shortage?
Cadillac Desert, by Marc Reisner. Unless you start diverting water from the northen end of the state with massive public works projects (a bigtime Libertarian no-no), y'all going to be restricted to the northern end of the state, where there just isn't much economic activity anyway, and 20,000 more people won't magically jump-start it. Kindly note that any economic activity that requires an extensive transportation network to move goods is not going to be feasible unless you're in the southern end of the state, where there's a water problem.
There are parts of Arizona where MSCASEY could live that have similar climate to his end of Idaho, but that does not mean that the entire state of Arizona doesn't have a very big water problem.
Also, 20,000 people is not going to make a siginificant dent in the voting patterns of Idaho, since the state has a population of 1.2 million. Like I said, you're stuck with Wyoming if all you're using is 20,000--and even that isn't enough.
Then you're not a Libertarian, because every Libertarian I've run across says that eminent domain (required for water projects) is EE-VIL.
Why do the porcupines equate asking critical questions with an effort to stop the project?
What's with the persecution complex?
Bravo Sierra on the Klamath Lake folks actually paying for their water. They got the evil GodGov you despise so much to STEAL the land (according to the Libertarian construct of eminent domain) from the Klamath tribe, and they got everyone else to pay for building the water works.
To: exodus
Ron Paul did that; now he's a traitor, worse than any Democrat, because he won't walk in lock-step with the Republican leadership.
When socialsts took over the Democratic party, those conservatives who noticed switched parties and became Republicans.
Now socialists have taken over the Republican Party. Where are conservatives supposed to go now?
It's like questioning the Five-Year Plan in the late and unlamented USSR. You're questioning their theology, not their politics.
I wouldn't have a have a problem with State funded public water projects, Poohbah.To: exodus
I'm a libertarian, Poohbah.
Eminent domain is NOT evil in itself, any more than a weapon is evil.
Eminent domain is a necessary tool of government. Corrupt use of the power would be evil.
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