Posted on 11/18/2002 7:26:58 AM PST by Jack Black
To: RoscoeTo: claidheamh mor
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And people still say libertarians don't have solutions? Morons...
# 92 by claidheamh mor
Libertarians solved the problem of how to create a government that would operate under a written rule of law, and created a government that interfered as little as possible with the rights of men.
I think that libertarians have proven that their ideas produce results.
To: wimpycat
Libertariams worship corrupt law enforcement officers? Libertarians love violence? Sheriffs will become "Lords," and terrorize the State?
You've been watching too much "Robin Hood," Palpatine.
On top of that, you're deliberately lying about what libertarian principles are.
Society cannot operate without laws; that's why our Founders created a nation governed by the rule of law.
So, according to your logic, (since a nation is an extention of a family), I could concievably self-appoint myself as a member of your family and equally participate in its daily affairs? No need to answer my rethorical question. If we follow your logic, the answer must be YES.
The nation is not an extension of a family, home educate.
Where do you get that idea? Libertarians aren't "new agers." We believe in old fashioned values.
Even though we all may be "children of God," I'll still shoot you if you break into my home.
You DO NOT have the right to move into my house, nor to participate in my life, nor to talk to me if I don't want to be bothered by you.
To: Poohbah; Roscoe; wimpycat; Kevin Curry; Boot Hill; VaBthang4
Libertarian principles created this country.
Cultural Jihad, you say that libertarians want to force their cruel intolerance upon their innocent neighbors.
If so, why did libertarians bother with a Constitution? Why recognize the God-given rights of men, and then charge the government to refrain from interfering with those rights? Why create a system of justice where all men are equal under the law?
Libertarian principles are all that protect our rights. Socialist views like the ones you promote would destroy the rule of law.
To: wimpycat
Our libertarian forefathers created a nation based upon the rule of law. I'd say that is strong evidence that your claim of anarchism is wrong.
Society cannot survive without laws to regulate bad behavior.
Any libertarian would tell you that, Poohbah.
We advocate limited government, not no government. There is a difference.
To: exodus
"Freedom fighters," Texasforever? You're reading more into this than I've seen. Freedom "voters" would be closer to the truth. They don't advocate force, but instead support a lawful assumption of power.
My "name" has nothing to do with my beliefs, Texasforever. In this case, your own name would fit me better. If they move into Texas, I'll be glad to vote with them. I will stay here, however, if they chose to go to a different State.
Texas is not on the list. Sorry. Hell you really need to get with this program. It may just work and you can experience the joys of liberation in all its glory. Be a pioneer, join up. Be a big fish in a small pond for once. I want to see libertarianism in its full glory....don't you?
Nonsense.
False.
With the massive munchies in the first week of liberation I would give them a month before the junk food runs out and then the WOTwinkies will create a new “police state” .
If you, for one moment, believe that the FFs and those who lived here during the Revolution and immediately afterwards, were NOT intolerant of much and did NOT " want to impose their " cruel " intolerence on others ", then you don't even know the most basic of things about history or about America !
In colonial times and down to only a few decades prior to today, there were laws against pornography, public lewdness, public intoxication, racial inetrmarriage, prostitution, sodomy, oral sex between even married couples, homosexuality, not attending church, gossipping,gambling, abortion, premarital sex, adultry ( which, BTW, is STILL on the books in Washington,D.C. ! ),stores / business being done on Sundays,blacks voting, women voting, and a whole panaply of other " intolerent " things that Libertarians are for.
Libertarians did NOT ( since they only became a subspecies of a fringe political party about 30 years ago ) write the Constitution, frame the BoR, become president, start this nations, nor any of the other wildly delusional things that you have written or think.
Oh and BTW, Jefferson, for all of the " good " that he did, was also pretty bad , re Libertarian positions. He kept slaves, he was a profligate, and had a losuy take on some foreign policy matters. Heck, he did NOT even bother to go to Congress, so that they could " declare war ", before he went after the Barbary pirates. He also almost got us involved in the French Revolution !
Your right! But there are millions of American's that have "hadenuf" of the current state of affairs and the two party cartel in DC.To: Joe Hadenuf
The major parties win elections because the electorate has swallowed the propaganda that we have a "two-party" system of government.
Because of the belief that we are a two-party nation, and because of the further belief that there's no difference between the two parties, a large segment of our people don't vote at all, under the assumption that their vote doesn't matter. Another large segment votes for the 'lessor of two evils" in the hope that they can at least slow the erosion of our freedom.
Remember the "Contract with America, Poohbah? Those lawmakers were elected because they convinced voters that they wouldn't act like normal Republicans, but instead would restore the nation to conservative values.
The lies worked; people who usually wouldn't bother to vote went to the polls to elect "real" conservatives, and the Republican Party took over both houses of Congress.
Funny, when the voters found out that their new conservative Republicans were no more conservative than the old Republicans, seats were lost in both the House and the Senate.
Right now, citizens have swallowed the "can't win" mythology put upon the libertarian candidates by both major parties, just as voters fell for the lie that Alan Keyes could never win, even though everyone agreed that Keyes was the best fit as the "idea" conservative Republican candidate.
The Republican leadership wanted the liberal Bush as it's candidate, even though that leadership claims to promote "conservative" values.
The conservative base of the Party was betrayed again, just as it was when the Contract with America was abandoned.
Facts! No fair!!!
Libertarian principles created this country.To: exodus
- exodus
Really?
Then tell me, Roscoe; what principles were followed in the creation of our country?
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