I told wimycat to drop dead, not him.
Plese direct comments about me to me.
Posted on 11/18/2002 7:26:58 AM PST by Jack Black
Once this is done in one state, it could be repeated in others.
Who wants to infiltrate Oregon with me? All we have to do is take down Portland. Good fishing, lots of high quality timber to cut, plush agriculture and fishing. Only a 10 mile strip from Eugene to PDX needs to be purged of commies.
And some of the best college football in the country, oh yes, the Ducks will be back!
They have a visceral hatred of government of any size, but blind hatred of government is thin gruel on which sustain a healthy, prosperous community.To: Kevin Curry; wimpycat
Our libertarian society has lasted for quite a while already; the socialism you advocate has already failed in every country that's adopted it.
Don't confuse telling someone to "drop dead" when they point out potential problems with an ingenious plan with rational debate.
In all seriousness, this idea has huge problems, and telling people to drop dead doesn't make the problem go away. To successfully take over a state, you're going to need a minimum of 493,783 people--and that's if you want Wyoming. You want Idaho? You'll need 1,293,954 people. Almost all of the low population states have serious problems with supporting a large influx of people. They're thinly populated for what are usually very sound reasons.
Maybe you need to start a Free County Project. You can pretty much move in and take over a single low-population county (good candidates include Niobrara County, population 2,407), assuming y'all want to live there.
The plan is to take a State through the mass migration of like-minded voters.
You know, Roscoe. Good old-fashioned carpetbagging. They can't get anyone elected in the general population, so they want to gang up, move in, and use their artificial majority to enforce their will on the natives. Louis Farrakhan has espoused a similar idea to found a "blacks only" state. Exactly like what the "Atzlan" movement is trying in California.
I told wimycat to drop dead, not him.
Plese direct comments about me to me.
It's small thinking. Why not take over a state like California? It has the biggest harbors, airports, endless miles of rural and high desert areas, the great Sierra Mountains, a thousand miles plus, of beautiful shore line, and best of all, most of our weather can't be beat.
If you can get 20,000 to up and move, why not 20 or 30 million?
Lets face it, what would be a bigger selling point? The frigid weather of Idaho in the winters or a complete take over of the best real-estate, with weather to match, in the entire country? I figure 20 million would do it.
Actually the first 5 million would scare the rest of the libs away. They would probably head back to where they came from, places like Boston, Seattle, and New York.
Remember, California comes along with a lot of clout in elections, unlike some of the other places mentioned.
If you guys decide to pull it off, up there in Idaho, or north Dakota, I will tough it out here behind enemy lines.
Listen, I am all for it, if the location is right. And remember, probably half of the folks that your going to attract will be over 40 years old. They come with educations, experience, money, and as folks get older, they don't like cold weather. This is a fact.
Why settle for less when you can have the best. Think big.
You still haven't clearly identified how you're going to take over a state with only 20,000 people.
Because there aren't 20-30 million Loopytarians available. And you REALLY would not like them getting in charge of California--they'd welcome the illegal aliens with open arms.
Your right! But there are millions of American's that have "hadenuf" of the current state of affairs and the two party cartel in DC.
True-Blue Libertarians would absolutely hate the laws and customs that have grown up in the Western United States regarding water. They'd really despise the concept of "beneficial use."
"It's flowing across MY land, therefore it's MY water, and F*** EVERYONE ELSE!"
These guys do not understand the history of the regions they are thinking of inhabiting. The range wars of the West were the result of rigidly Libertarian laws regarding water allocation (i.e., no law at all).
How would an ideologically "pure" state legislature ensure an adequate and safe water supply to the state without violating their Puritanical ideology, for instance?
Why, they'd privatize it. Watch the range wars break out.
Who would pay for it?
Free men and women would pay whatever the guy controlling the streamhead decides to charge. If that means that water costs $10,000 a gallon, well, the folks downstream are perfectly free to import water from elsewhere if they wish.
Uh, Joe...if there are that many people who've "hadenuf" of the GOP and the Democrats...then how come the GOP or the Democrats are the ones who win the elections?
Why do you even care if The Free State Project happens?
What threat are they to you?
Why do you keep bringing up water problems in Idaho?
You know the FSP hasn't chosen a state yet.
You know the FSP hasn't got enough people yet ( but it will and LOTS more)
So what's the problem?
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Poohbah! Gawd I love that cute little name.
Listen Poo, these two parties are in power now, and have been for many years. As things change, and they will, another party will surface, and it won't have any resemblance to the two party system that currently dominates and has a strangle hold on our nations capital. Nothing last forever, not even the Democratic or Republican party.
Look, if you think the majority of tax paying citizens are quiet content with the direction of this country, than you are blind.
The differences between the two parties in DC are really inconsequential, and they prove this almost weekly. Government gets bigger, taxes are never reduced, they only go up and the government has involved itself in *every* single aspect of our lives and business. I could easily go on.
I come into contact with lots of people daily, that feel the very same way. Eventually, a strong American leader, a new party, will come to power, one that puts America, it's people and businesses first, 100 percent of the time. A leader that is not so damn politically correct that he stands in stone silence as our borders are completely over run as our national sovereignty dissolves. A party that will not stand by and watch our manufacturing and business flee to other countries, while our own people's standard of living, declines...
Otherwise, this country is heading for a very restricted, regulated and oppressive system. A place where our constitution will be considered an old relic, something of the past. The choice is clear.
Now, Pooh, don't go and spoil their fantasy. In the meantime we won't be holding our breaths waiting to see them get setup with dialup access from Boondocks, Idaho.
Imagine how ludicrous it is that grown adults would seriously contemplate moving to some far-away place just for the express purpose of inflicting their cruel toleration upon their neighbors. "Wilbur down the road married his horse, while Jake and Beauregard cook meth next door. Hehehe. Them rascals! Of course, me and Mildred are not into such things, but we thought it so important that other people be allowed to do what we personally find abhorrent that we moved here to show them our support."
I thought you were smarter than that........
I guess not
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