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1 posted on 11/18/2002 6:24:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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This is what paradoxically leads him to be anti-democratic,

Good piece, I question this assumption tho. Liberals, and all authoritarians, are always attempting to claim the will of the majority. It avoids the Constitutional argument
2 posted on 11/18/2002 6:36:29 AM PST by steve50
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I for one do not suscribe to this vision of the New Englander. New Hampshire Maine and Vermont used to be populated with people who were certainly not involved in other people's business. The influx from the New York and Boston areas has changed the character of most of New England.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

3 posted on 11/18/2002 6:56:50 AM PST by harpseal
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That's funny,I could have sworn that"Liberalism"had it's origins in the writings of Karl Marx!!
4 posted on 11/18/2002 7:10:35 AM PST by bandleader
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"Liberalism," and other aspects of PC Compassion Fascism, are the decadent end products of White Protestantism. You'll find it where-ever such folks are long established, prosperous, industrious and well-fed. Eventually, their spoiled off-spring become guilt-complexed over their own success and rebel.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 7:47:12 AM PST by pollwatcher
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This desire to make everyone like himself is a major characteristic of the modern liberal. This is what paradoxically leads him to be anti-democratic, for the desire to make others conform to his opinion causes him to cast dissidents into the outer darkness. He is so self-righteous that he honestly believes that anyone with a different set of opinions must be either stupid or evil.

This is not just an illness of the left. It's a symptom of the dogmatic and totalitarian "anti-democratic" breed in general. A creature found on both sides of the political spectrum.

Coming from a conservative Southern family, there were three phrases I heard extremely often — phrases one almost never hears today in our liberal society. They were: "Mind your own business"; "It's none of your business";

Disagree. I've heard these in "liberal society", too.

The chief characteristic of the true conservative is a willingness to let other people be what they are, for good or ill,

I think self-proclaimed "true conservatives" could debate this one but good for a while....

....just as the chief characteristic of the modern liberal is the compulsion to make others conform to his ideas of what's good for them.

Again, applicable to dogmatists of all stripes.

We are enormously less free today than when I was a boy, and in every instance, the loss of freedom has been justified as "good for us."

"Enormously"? Way overstated. We are freer, I believe. Just freer in different areas, less free in others.

It's too bad more people aren't concerned about that loss of freedom. They will find that security will prove to be illusory, but the loss of freedom will be quite real.

Hammer, nail.

10 posted on 11/18/2002 8:21:14 AM PST by CapedCrusader
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The chief characteristic of the true conservative is a willingness to let other people be what they are, for good or ill, just as the chief characteristic of the modern liberal is the compulsion to make others conform to his ideas of what's good for them.

Well said! And you'll note he said TRUE conservatives, not the liberal nanny state loveing neo-cons that seem to have developed as the mainstream around here.

12 posted on 11/18/2002 8:36:35 AM PST by The FRugitive
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"What we call today "liberalism" was born in New England. In 1864, Orestes Brownson, a New Englander himself, wrote an essay contrasting Southern and Northern societies. His description of the New Englander describes exactly the modern liberal."

Note....he says what "we" call liberalism....this is NOT the origin of the term or it's correct useage. The word has been bastardized by those on the left who choose to dwindle our liberties and disguise these attempts by portraying themselves as "liberals". Recall that our founding fathers were what we now call "classic liberals". The term conservative has its roots in reactionism....which would describe the left and it's continued desire to rely on the state.

It is so depressing when those on the right, follow along with the lefts linguistic manipulations...and to think that most of us read Orwell in High School.
At any rate, I will continue to call myself a proud classic Liberal.

19 posted on 11/18/2002 10:08:33 AM PST by Katya
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21 posted on 11/18/2002 12:20:19 PM PST by sheltonmac
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There are a great deal of similarities between the do-good abolitionist, and the modern day liberal.

Many slaves to sobbed at their masters graves, and blacks are quite happy self-segregating into their own neighborhoods. These are dirty little politically incorrect secrets.

To the smug-a$$ed liberal, this laissez-faire attitude toward the pursuit of individual happiness just can't be tolerated. Same with Yankees who were bent on reconstructing the South. Their ant colony culture was the way everyone should behave.

23 posted on 11/18/2002 7:32:39 PM PST by H.Akston
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Irrespective of the etymological origins of the word, the favorite sport around here seems to be categorizing those derisively called "liberal" as dictatorial, authoritarian and worse.

Yet, there seems to be a certain irony to those portraits when the category of those fervently opposed are the same folks who want to censor books that libraries put on their shelves, movies that anyone can choose to see or avoid, television programs that are subject to the remote channel changer or the on-off switch, and generally tell others what is "good" for them and enforce that advice by force of law.

24 posted on 11/18/2002 8:21:38 PM PST by middie
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Five trillion dollars spent to eliminate poverty has, of course, not eliminated it, and if you look at the great liberal cities of the North, where every conceivable liberal social scheme has been enacted and funded, what do you find? Slums, crime, high taxes, less freedom.

Durn Federalists/Whigs.

26 posted on 11/20/2002 7:41:56 PM PST by 4CJ
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