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Uncle Ali: Palestinian Moslem, Gnostic, Nazi, Mentor and Friend
astrologyforthepeople.com ^ | October 01, 2002 | Holger Werner

Posted on 11/17/2002 3:47:17 AM PST by Destro

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To: dennisw
Some people don't want to see how the evil of the Islamists and the Nazis have a long and interlinked evil origin.
21 posted on 11/17/2002 5:16:47 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
I think you made a very important point.

One of the many things that unnerves me about Islam is that I think it has the potential to be very popular in the US among New Age religion folks, many of whom are very Gnostic in tendency. And anti-Semitism (even among the New Age religionists who are of Jewish descent) goes hand in glove with it, because you cannot accept the revelation of God and the Law that is fundamental to Judaism and accept the Gnostic world view at the same time.
23 posted on 11/17/2002 5:19:26 AM PST by livius
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To: dennisw
Cool it.
24 posted on 11/17/2002 5:20:50 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: livius; dennisw
Exactly!! I was stunned and disgusted at the level of anti-Semetisim involved in these Gnostic movements mixed in with anti-Christian (mostly directed at Catholics) as I did research. Gnostic is the proper way to define the new age/wicca movements, IMHO. The Gnostic movement was not unknown to the Nazis and the Gnostics were a heavy influence on emerging Islam. With this post we have a first person account here were all those three elements meet.
26 posted on 11/17/2002 5:24:47 AM PST by Destro
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To: Admin Moderator
Cool it.

Take your own medicine and cool it yourself. You have gone delete crazy.

27 posted on 11/17/2002 5:28:59 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Admin Moderator
Good bye.
28 posted on 11/17/2002 5:29:38 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Destro
With this post we have a first person account here were all those three elements meet.
Yuh-huh. So by your own admission you believe that first person account!--you say so, plainly, unabashedly, without hedge or qualification. That same first person narrative also says that the Holocaust never occurred, that Jews and Nazis collaborated to creat Israel, that RACE is the determining factor in history, that Hilter et al were the misguided, good-hearted dupes of Himmler etc., etc.

You are endorsing this article. What can I reasonably conclude other than that you are white-supremist, historical revisionist?
29 posted on 11/17/2002 5:30:11 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: dennisw
... Good bye ...
That was me, not the moderator going "delete crazy." The moderator was merely responding to my complaints. Please give credit where it is due.
30 posted on 11/17/2002 5:32:02 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Destro
Destro!

This is a lot deeper than the usual Balkans postings.

I find it interesting.  I think it helps explain why Mein Kampf is a big seller in the Arab world.

I hope folks can keep their heads as they read this and not overreact.

31 posted on 11/17/2002 5:33:38 AM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Asclepius
Knock it off.
32 posted on 11/17/2002 5:35:30 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Asclepius
The links are real, even in the mythology these groups develop is invented. Gnostics did influence both the Nazi's and the Muslim faith and the modern new age movements. This posts shows how they are linked by a common belief system or a similar world view that allows fakery like the protocols to be embraced. That is where your ability to reason fails.

For example: Farakahn did a whole routine during the Million Man March on numerology and UFOs. Numerology and UFOs had nothing to do with his brand of Islam's origin. They are just add ons, just like the Gnostic/Muslim acceptance of the Protocols is an add on not linked to their origin but helps sell it. That it helps to sell it means it gets repeated as fact over and over, until it becomes part of their mantra.

33 posted on 11/17/2002 5:36:06 AM PST by Destro
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To: Asclepius
Because your not reasonable or that skilled at analysis. WHat about you, do you accpet the link between Islam and Nazisim? and that their origins are in the Gnostic tradition?
34 posted on 11/17/2002 5:40:23 AM PST by Destro
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... The links are real, even in the mythology these groups develop is invented ...
You're changing your position, somewhat. Now you want to say that in some vague, nebulous way, these groups are linked by a common mythology--this is a claim too weak and too general to argue against, because everything can be linked to gnosticism, from the New Age movement to the original Star Wars trilogy to the Golden Dawn to early Protestantism (Bogomils, Waldenses, Anabaptists etc.) etc., etc. In which case, you don't even need to cite this article to make your case. My question then becomes, why?--instead of appearing to endorse the narrative of a white-supremist, why not simply make your case on stronger, more reasonable grounds?
35 posted on 11/17/2002 5:42:31 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Incorrigible
Thanks! All those useless college degrees need an outlet.

I hope folks can keep their heads as they read this and not overreact.

The problem is few can do so, but enough that matter can.

36 posted on 11/17/2002 5:43:43 AM PST by Destro
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WHat about you, do you accpet the link between Islam and Nazisim?
Certainly not. And if you accept such a link, specifically on the grounds of the article you cite, then all my initial charges against you still stand (e.g. historical revisionism, white supremecy). If you accept the link on other grounds than that's a separate issue I suppose. I>
and that their origins are in the Gnostic tradition?
What do you mean by "gnostic tradition?" It is well documented that the Nazis were influenced by the Theosophists, surely (e.g. the Swastika) etc., etc. And there is ample evidence that the Koran borrows heavily from Gnostic texts extant in later antiquity. But what does that prove, specifically? What is it that you want to say, based on that?
37 posted on 11/17/2002 5:48:08 AM PST by Asclepius
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I am not changing my position at all. If I helped clarify it to you that is fine (so far it is you and only you). Why post this? Because this article is a second hand account of a first person account of a Palestinian Muslim active in the service of the high SS that touches on the commonality of the Islamo-Facist belief system. You are the only one so far that claims not to see that.
38 posted on 11/17/2002 5:49:30 AM PST by Destro
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Because this article is a second hand account of a first person account of a Palestinian Muslim active in the service of the high SS that touches on the commonality of the Islamo-Facist belief system.
Once again you contradict yourself, and once again we're back to square one: you admit your complicity with a racist, historical revisionist. Regard: You do believe the author's narrative!--the so-called "Muslim in the service of the high SS"; that same narrative stipulates that the Holocaust never happened, that Jews and Nazis collaborated to create the Israeli state, that those good-heared, misguided Nazis (Hitler et al!) were duped by Himmler etc., etc. You cannot accept the truth of the account without accepting the truth of the account--it's one or the other.

Thank you for finally, flatly admitting your endorsement of the "truthfulness" of the author's account.

Everything I said before still stands etc.
39 posted on 11/17/2002 5:56:10 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius; dennisw
I guess you did not bother to read my link to Catholic historian Hilaire Belloc?

Want another link? Fine

Neo-Nazis Find They Share Views of Militant Muslim Groups on U.S., Israel

40 posted on 11/17/2002 5:58:37 AM PST by Destro
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