Posted on 11/17/2002 3:47:17 AM PST by Destro
Take your own medicine and cool it yourself. You have gone delete crazy.
With this post we have a first person account here were all those three elements meet.Yuh-huh. So by your own admission you believe that first person account!--you say so, plainly, unabashedly, without hedge or qualification. That same first person narrative also says that the Holocaust never occurred, that Jews and Nazis collaborated to creat Israel, that RACE is the determining factor in history, that Hilter et al were the misguided, good-hearted dupes of Himmler etc., etc.
... Good bye ...That was me, not the moderator going "delete crazy." The moderator was merely responding to my complaints. Please give credit where it is due.
This is a lot deeper than the usual Balkans postings.
I find it interesting. I think it helps explain why Mein Kampf is a big seller in the Arab world.
I hope folks can keep their heads as they read this and not overreact.
For example: Farakahn did a whole routine during the Million Man March on numerology and UFOs. Numerology and UFOs had nothing to do with his brand of Islam's origin. They are just add ons, just like the Gnostic/Muslim acceptance of the Protocols is an add on not linked to their origin but helps sell it. That it helps to sell it means it gets repeated as fact over and over, until it becomes part of their mantra.
... The links are real, even in the mythology these groups develop is invented ...You're changing your position, somewhat. Now you want to say that in some vague, nebulous way, these groups are linked by a common mythology--this is a claim too weak and too general to argue against, because everything can be linked to gnosticism, from the New Age movement to the original Star Wars trilogy to the Golden Dawn to early Protestantism (Bogomils, Waldenses, Anabaptists etc.) etc., etc. In which case, you don't even need to cite this article to make your case. My question then becomes, why?--instead of appearing to endorse the narrative of a white-supremist, why not simply make your case on stronger, more reasonable grounds?
I hope folks can keep their heads as they read this and not overreact.
The problem is few can do so, but enough that matter can.
WHat about you, do you accpet the link between Islam and Nazisim?Certainly not. And if you accept such a link, specifically on the grounds of the article you cite, then all my initial charges against you still stand (e.g. historical revisionism, white supremecy). If you accept the link on other grounds than that's a separate issue I suppose. I>
and that their origins are in the Gnostic tradition?What do you mean by "gnostic tradition?" It is well documented that the Nazis were influenced by the Theosophists, surely (e.g. the Swastika) etc., etc. And there is ample evidence that the Koran borrows heavily from Gnostic texts extant in later antiquity. But what does that prove, specifically? What is it that you want to say, based on that?
Because this article is a second hand account of a first person account of a Palestinian Muslim active in the service of the high SS that touches on the commonality of the Islamo-Facist belief system.Once again you contradict yourself, and once again we're back to square one: you admit your complicity with a racist, historical revisionist. Regard: You do believe the author's narrative!--the so-called "Muslim in the service of the high SS"; that same narrative stipulates that the Holocaust never happened, that Jews and Nazis collaborated to create the Israeli state, that those good-heared, misguided Nazis (Hitler et al!) were duped by Himmler etc., etc. You cannot accept the truth of the account without accepting the truth of the account--it's one or the other.
Want another link? Fine
Neo-Nazis Find They Share Views of Militant Muslim Groups on U.S., Israel
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