Linux, Open Source have 'more security problems than Windows'

The Register, NewsForge ^ | 11.15.2002 | Robin Miller

[taxcontrol]

[Sigh]

Once again, this are not the desktop. They are applications, many of which have an equal application in the Linux space. For example, I use StarOffice for any MS Office docs. Oh, I do run WINE and also run it with Lotus Smart Suite and have not had a problem.

As for your drivers - well I don't have them so it does not bother me.

[taxcontrol]

Well, I find a great advantage in Linux multiple desktop capabilities. It allows me to multi task more applications than I can under Windows due to the ability to assemble the running application on different desktops. It also maintains a greater overall perceived responsiveness than when a like amount of applications are open under Windows.

Also, my experience is that Linux stays running without the breakdowns I experience under Windows. Case in point. I have had two WindowsME crashes (one requiring a rebuild) and on 2000 crash one my old laptop within the past year. Want to know how many times Linux has crashed? None.

When I travel I dont have the time waste fixing my laptop. I need it to run - period. That is a HUGE advantage at 2:00 am in some hotel when you are trying to update your latest proposal.

Granted, my situation is unique. But from my viewpoint the Windows desktop comes up short in comparison to Linux.

[Bush2000]

Once again, this are not the desktop.

I don't speak Appalachian. Or Ebonics. Translation?

They are applications, many of which have an equal application in the Linux space. For example, I use StarOffice for any MS Office docs. Oh, I do run WINE and also run it with Lotus Smart Suite and have not had a problem.

Nobody who's used the apps I specified above is going to be happy using Linux crap. Maybe some Third World shmuck who doesn't know better (and even that's doubtful due to the prevelance of piracy).

As for your drivers - well I don't have them so it does not bother me.

Drivers for firewire, digital cameras, DVD drives, etc are a minimum bar. Can't meet it? Take a hike.

[Norman Conquest]

Joe Linux. What's with the dopey smile on that penguin of his?

Penguin sex. It's a formal affair with Joe Linux and his "longtime companion," Tux.

[Billy_bob_bob]

Penguin sex. Ouch.

I'm going to have to regroup after that one.....

[msgt]

Well, I find a great advantage in Linux multiple desktop capabilities. It allows me to multi task more applications than I can under Windows due to the ability to assemble the running application on different desktops

I'm currently running 3 desktops on two monitors using a dual-head matrox video card on Windows XP Pro. The capabilities exist.

[AdA$tra]

I have had two WindowsME crashes

Windows ME was a debacle from hell.

I say what ever works for you is best for you. Go for it. I am going to look into using one of my Linux boxes to run a new Tivo emulator software I was reading about. It has all the features of Tivo, but runs on a Pentium 200. i have several of those available. Anyone need an old Dell?

[AdA$tra]

Lightwave 3D is another that hasn't ported to Linux that I need every day. Not to mention the high end graphics needs that come along with it. If taxcontrol can do his "proposals" in Linux, more power to him. I have used those products and I cannot imagine relying on them in a production environment. Particularly where I need to share with multiple clients, all of whom use MS based products.

[taxcontrol]

Once again, this are not the desktop. I don't speak Appalachian. Or Ebonics. Translation?

My fingers have suffered much during my time - so I like to blame them :-)

That should read - Once again, THESE (refering to the applications you mentioned) are not the desktop.

You state that no one is going to be happy using the above applications - well I don't use them so it does not bother me one bit. I could argue that there are like applications in the Linux world - GIMP instead of Photoshop.

I am not a user of either so I could not compare the two though I am told that GIMP has some database and scripting features not available in Photoshop.

As for drivers for Firewire (see http://www.linux1394.org/ for compatibility), DVDs, digital cameras, Linux has them - true a smaller set than Windows and perhaps not your particular drivers.

So the minimum bar is there, and still fail to see where Windows is any better. If fact, in my other post, I list a couple reasons why I find Linux to be better suited to my needs.

[Bush2000]

Use whatever works for you, friend. If it's Linux, great. It's free. I can't because I depend upon too many Windows-based tools.

[taxcontrol]

You might be interested in this:

San Antonio, Texas -- July 23, 2002 -- NewTek, Inc., manufacturer of industry-leading 3D animation and video products, today announced the forthcoming release of LightWave 3D®’s network rendering solution, ScreamerNet, for the Linux OS for i386 systems.

Link - http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/07-23-02-c.html

[Bush2000]

Lightwave 3D is another that hasn't ported to Linux that I need every day. Not to mention the high end graphics needs that come along with it. If taxcontrol can do his "proposals" in Linux, more power to him. I have used those products and I cannot imagine relying on them in a production environment. Particularly where I need to share with multiple clients, all of whom use MS based products.

Yes, I've used (and like) Lightwave. Nice product. Maya is an alternative which has been ported to Linux; however, considering my investment in Windows tools, I'm not likely to switch.

[Bush2000]

That's a renderer, primarily intended to be used in a render farm. What AdA$tra is referring to is the desktop Lightwave modeling and animation environment, I believe.

[taxcontrol]

Windows ME was a debacle from hell

LOL - well I think we can agree on that! The second ME crash actually was so bad it corrupted the 2000 install. Had to rebuild both.

Most of the work I do is word processing, network diagrams and presentations. Most of the stuff comes in from the clients only to be consumed by me. Thus when I respond, I create from scratch or cut and paste from the client documents. I have had very little problem with StarOffice. Though there was on spreadsheet that gave me some trouble a year ago.

Tivo emulator software??? Sounds interesting. Can you provide a link?

[Crispy]

"As a desktop OS Linux is nothing but an poor knock-off of the Winodws paradigm. It is great for firewalls, routing, file serving, web serving and imbedded applications. As a desktop it is nothing but a toy."

It depends on what you use on the Linux desktop. The only applications I use are Phoenix web browser, XMMS (Winamp) and GVIM for application development. For those applications, Linux is just as good or better than windows. I can't comment on other apps such as OpenOffice since I do not use them.

One thing Windows is better at is video games. Linux has a long way to go to catch up in that category.

[AdA$tra]

My Sister-in-law works for Newtek. They used to be based right here in good ol' Topeka, Kansas until they became tax exiles and moved to San Antonio. I have been using Lightwave since it was just part of the Video Toaster on the Amiga platform. Very cool Product. I know there are several alternatives out there nowadays such as Maya and Rhino, but I am partial to Lightwave for the obvious reasons.

[AdA$tra]

Tivo emulator software??? Sounds interesting. Can you provide a link?

It is in a magazine I have at home. I will try and find it tonight and post a link.

I have played with the screamer net for Windows. It is VERY touchy. I could not use it for anything serious as it crashes constantly, but was fun to play with when the fastest PC on the planet was a P200. Now that I have P4 2.0Gz with a gig of RAM on a LAPTOP....I just render that way. I also do not do moving animations nearly as much as I used to. Mostly I use LW to render web graphics.

[usconservative]

I run Red Hat Linux 7.3 and WindowsXP both at home, and I have to tell you, I have received more security notices through Red Hat's auto-update notification service than I have WindowsXP in the last 6 months.

I'd have to go back through my email, but I probably get 2-4 RedHat Linux security fix notices a month, vs. the 2-3 that I've received from WinXP in the last .. 6 months?

Far as I'm concerned, it doesn't really matter which OS you run, they *all* have security holes & patches. some more than others, but they all do.

[chilepepper]

I run nine virtual (gnome) desktops on the machine I am typing this on (RedHat). Have an TV card sending HBO into the middle window, four different WWW sessions in the others, terminals, perfmeters, etc. All one 19" terminal.

At work, I have 12 virtual desktops on one monitor. Some lucky stiffs here at work have two monitors and one guy runs 20 virtual terminals for image processing!

Of course, if you want, you can also multiple X sessions, which many here do...so the truly insane could run, say 140 virual desktops.