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Pope urges Italians to have children (A CALL TO ARMS, ERM, BED ALERT)
BBC News ^ | November 14, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 11/15/2002 12:56:12 AM PST by MadIvan

In the first ever speech to the Italian parliament by a head of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope John Paul II has called on Italians to have more children.

He described Italy's declining birth rate as a crisis, and said politicians should take action to make parenthood easier, both socially and financially.

The speech also touched on the hostility between the Vatican and Rome in the last century, saying that this had long since given way to co-operation and mutual respect.

The Vatican was left with only a small fraction of its territory after the foundation of the Italian state in the 1860s and 1870s, and subsequent popes refused to recognise the new-born Italian state.

'Grave threat'

The elderly pontiff used the historic speech to dwell on themes dear to him, such as the Christian heritage of Europe and the need for solidarity in a globalised world.

He also appealed to Italy for a measure of clemency for the inmates of Italy's overcrowded jails, asking for a reduction in their prisoners' sentences.

The papal speech was frequently interrupted by loud applause, although the visit was boycotted by some members of parliament who said it undermined the secular character of the Italian state.

In his comments on the central role of the family, he described the Italian birth rate - one of the lowest in the world - as "another grave threat" to their future.

"Above all, it encourages - indeed I would dare to say, forces - citizens to make a broad and responsible commitment to favour a clear-cut reversal of this tendency," he said.

'Viva il Papa!'

Making a foray into the current debate over the future of Europe, the Pope reiterated his appeal for "spiritual values" to be taken into account as the European Union takes in new members from the former Soviet bloc, including his native Poland.

"There is a need to guard against a vision of the continent which would only take into account its economic and political aspects," he said, "if lasting ability is to be given to the new unity of Europe."

While he struggled at times with pronunciation due to the tremors he suffers from Parkinson's Disease, the Pope nevertheless spoke for 45 minutes.

The applause and cries of "Viva il Papa!" climaxed with a standing ovation at the end.

The Pope calls Italy his second home, and was recently made an honorary citizen of Rome - but only in 1929 did Italy and the Vatican recognise each other as sovereign entities.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: babies; bambino; catholics; italy; pope
I'm partially Italian in heritage, I have to say that among my fellow diaspora, the desire, at least, to procreate is not diminished by any extent - the "Italian Stallion" still runs. One wonders what's going on back in Italy that the Pope has to go back and tell Italians to make babies.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 11/15/2002 12:56:12 AM PST by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 11/15/2002 12:56:47 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Birth control . :-)
3 posted on 11/15/2002 12:59:47 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Birth control . :-)

Ah, but other countries have birth control, including Britain, and have higher birth rates. ;)

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 11/15/2002 1:01:34 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Children are very expensive. And they scream loudly. And they can't hold intelligent conversations for years.


5 posted on 11/15/2002 6:34:15 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: MadIvan
I guess this is an admission that Italians are not towing the Church's line on birth control. I'm sure condom manufacturers will urge Italians to keep doing whatever they are doing.
6 posted on 11/15/2002 6:37:30 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: MadIvan
Actually the average European woman has only 1.4 children throughout her lifetime. In Great Brittain I believe the average is 1.6. You need 2.1 to break even. Combine this catastrophicly low birthrate with massive third world birthrates, massive immigration, and massive immigrant birthrates, and I'd say you have a recipe for cultural extinction. I honestly think we might see the birth of a few Muslim majority nations in Europe within my lifetime if the trend isnt reversed.

1.4 children per women means the population is being cut in half in less than 2 generations. Immigrants birthrates of 4 children per woman means their population is doubling per generation.

And thanks to wonderful wellfare states, the responsible Europeans with 1 kid wind up being taxed and fiscally supporting the immigrants with 4-8 kids. Isn't it great, you have to pay to have your country and culture stolen from you.

7 posted on 11/15/2002 6:40:20 AM PST by Godel
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To: MadIvan
Who knows what's going on in Italy. There's a lot of adopting going on with children from India. i saw that while I was over there. And where I was I saw a lot of kids.

My guess is that taxes are so high and so many of them work multiple jobs...that's not a good combination for big families.

BTW, This was posted two days ago.
8 posted on 11/15/2002 6:44:35 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: MadIvan
The Pope is pointing to Italy as the result of what the "Culture of Death" has wrought. Italy has an extremely serious depopulation problem that is likely to result in revolution in the long run -- too few workers to fund that huge socialistic government andthe aging population. The average age of Italians is quickly creepting upward. That problem is spreading to other European countries as well.
9 posted on 11/15/2002 6:49:17 AM PST by CWW
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To: MadIvan
In historic speech, Pope urges Italians to have more children to reverse declining birth rate
10 posted on 11/15/2002 7:25:46 AM PST by ELS
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To: MadIvan
do it for the children bump
11 posted on 11/15/2002 8:40:39 PM PST by John Lenin
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