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To: Illbay
I'm with you Bay, we're at war. So let's go get what we deserve. We rule.
6 posted on 11/13/2002 7:57:11 PM PST by MetaAlpha
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To: MetaAlpha
I'm with you Bay, we're at war. So let's go get what we deserve.

So, these are temporary measures?

11 posted on 11/13/2002 8:02:38 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: MetaAlpha
I'm with you Bay, we're at war. So let's go get what we deserve. We rule.

First of all you may want to watch what you wish for, because what we actually deserve may not be exactly what you have in mind.

When I think of America today I think of the Jews that Moses returned to when he came down from the mountain. Safe under their nuclear umbrella, the pampered children of the "baby boom" indulged in all forms of wickedness. I wonder exactly what we really *DO* deserve???

With regard to the enthusiastic acceptance of the erosion of our liberties because we're in a state of "war" (yeah, when did I hear Congress declare war?) all I can say is that ... "a foolish nation and its freedoms are soon parted."

36 posted on 11/13/2002 9:01:16 PM PST by The Duke
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To: MetaAlpha
So let's go get what we deserve.

You will!

But you won't like it.

Hank

70 posted on 11/14/2002 4:31:50 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: MetaAlpha
You know, much of these initiatives were proffered under X42 and conservatives everywhere were wildly opposed. Does anyone remember the "know your customer," National ID cards, medical records databases, etc. etc. etc? IN 1998 and 99 when X42's reign of terror was still in full swing, there were a bunch of conspiracy threads regarding Clinton's third term. Now, disregarding the tinfoil, I can't help but wonder at how many of their "paranoid" fantasies have come true: Yes, we are at “war” with an enemy who is more despicable than any we have faced. Yes, we face threats unimaginable decades ago. Yes, police and defense agencies require commensurate powers to overcome technological advances of criminals. Yes, we have the most trustworthy armed forces and police agencies in the world.

But, nothing can give politicians, police or defense agencies license to overthrow our Constitution. The rights enshrined therein are not given by agency; they are not even a consequence of citizenship; they are not a privilege granted by chance or effort. They are the birthright of every living human being. They are the constituent elements of humanity itself.

No individual or agency has the power to restrict, rescind, or in any way transfer these rights. Any American who suggests a “temporary” laying aside of rights is a traitor to our Republic and an enemy to man and God. Our soldiers and our officials have sworn to uphold these truths and to fight against any enemy, foreign or domestic, who would attack these principles. Those who breech this oath are cowards and traitors.

We can win this “war” without resorting to draconian* measures. Our founding fathers established a Republic that was capable of self-governance—even in times of war. The only way to save her is to return to those principles on which she was founded. All three branches of government have departed from their proper courses. We will not restore sanity and safety by speeding up; we need to turn around.

Our freedoms have not aided the attacks on America. The enemies of freedom are institutional lethargy, the criminal negligence of executive officers and the apathy of the American people. The measures now being promoted as a cure are no more than an acceleration of the very malady.

You who defend such garbage deserve the world which you would build. As for me and my house, we will serve God and our country. And we will fight you tooth and nail.

* For those lacking an historic perspective, Draco was a tyrant who usurped the Athenian constitution through wildly restrictive laws to restore "security." Never has a term been more appropriate!

87 posted on 11/14/2002 6:48:38 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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