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To: 88keys
While the article may be misdirected, the facts are undisputed: There is a lot of dangerously vague wording and outright unconstitutional abuses in this legislation. While the intent may be good, the execution is inexcusably sloppy.

Congress needs to address many of these issues individually. The predilection toward legislation based on sensation, rather than reality needs to stop. So does the monolithic, one-shot, everything-to-everyone, sure-fire, one-size-fits-all, cure-all legislation.

There is no way they can honestly debate something this gargantuan. I’ll bet half of them haven’t even read the bill in its entirety. I am to the point where I think we should require a comprehensive test on each bill before they vote so we can ensure they have, at least read the damn thing!

132 posted on 11/14/2002 11:58:59 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
I’ll bet half of them haven’t even read the bill in its entirety.

I believe that only about six Congresscritters bothered to read the Patriot Bill prior to voting on it.

133 posted on 11/14/2002 12:04:29 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: antidisestablishment
While the article may be misdirected, the facts are undisputed: There is a lot of dangerously vague wording and outright unconstitutional abuses in this legislation. While the intent may be good, the execution is inexcusably sloppy.

I think both of you are correct. There will inevitably be a lot of unconstitutional garbage that was put there either deliberately or by not considering the full implications of what is being proposed. And 88keys is also right - Safire does the matter no service by running around yelling that the sky is falling when instead he just got nailed upside the head by a paper boy throwing the Sunday Times. Defenders of this bill will be able to point to Safire's column and smugly proclaim that, since he has a couple of details wrong, his entire argument can therefore be rejected.

135 posted on 11/14/2002 12:08:38 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: antidisestablishment
There is no way they can honestly debate something this gargantuan. I’ll bet half of them haven’t even read the bill in its entirety. I am to the point where I think we should require a comprehensive test on each bill before they vote so we can ensure they have, at least read the damn thing!

I'm in absolute agreement with that!

Furthermore, there are some untrustworthies who will indeed slip things into an "omnibus"-type bill, as well as others who mean well but are sloppy in wording and lay it open to "judicial activism"...

(but I still think if Safire is going to go on about it, he should have done us all a favor, scrutinized the bill, and if he's got the facts, gone to the Congress who's actually going to vote on it, instead of writing a "scare-mongering" column...) ;)

167 posted on 11/14/2002 12:57:54 PM PST by 88keys
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