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Random traffic stops to take place in Michigan [looking for terrorists]
Associated Press | Nov. 12, 2002 | AP

Posted on 11/12/2002 7:36:45 AM PST by The Energizer

Random traffic stops to take place in Michigan

KIMBALL TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) Federal agents plan to randomly stop drivers at unannounced, rotating checkpoints in Michigan, looking for illegal immigrants, terrorists and drug or weapon smugglers.

Starting Tuesday, U.S. Border Patrol agents at the checkpoints will ask passengers their citizenship and will have leeway to ask a host of follow-up questions, the Detroit Free Press reported.

The effort is part of President Bush's attempt to increase security along the northern border, said Immigration and Naturalization Service spokeswoman Karen Kraushaar.

``The terrorism component cannot be ignored in addressing border security,'' Kraushaar said.

According to federal law, the government may conduct searches and surveillance within 25 miles of any international border. The practice of checkpoints is common in southern border states such as Texas and California.

New York, Vermont and New Hampshire are among the northern border areas that already have similar programs in place, said Mario Villarreal, spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol. Officials also set up a similar program in northwest Washington state over the weekend, he said.

``It's all about homeland security. Bottom line, we are here to be vigilant about the safety and security of the American people,'' INS spokesman Greg Palmore said before a news conference in St. Clair County.

Although agents will focus on finding undocumented immigrants, the checkpoints on the southern border have helped net drugs and weapons, patrol agents and officials said.

Michigan is home to about 350,000 Arab-Americans, with the population concentrated in the southeastern part of the state.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: feds; terrorism; trafficstops
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1 posted on 11/12/2002 7:36:45 AM PST by The Energizer
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To: The Energizer
If true, this sucks.
2 posted on 11/12/2002 7:39:42 AM PST by Drango
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To: The Energizer
...but they will not touch the Mexican border.
3 posted on 11/12/2002 7:43:18 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: The Energizer
It won't last. It's unconstitutional. See City of Indianapolis v Edmond. This might be one to make it to the SCOTUS to clarify Edmond, but we'll see. This doesn't pass the laugh test.
4 posted on 11/12/2002 7:43:44 AM PST by posterkid
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To: The Energizer
It looks like the folks in Detroit are going to need passports to visit the rest of the country.
5 posted on 11/12/2002 7:44:37 AM PST by PAR35
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To: The Energizer
This should be the motto of the INS:

``It's all about homeland security. Bottom line, we are here to be vigilant about the safety and security of the American people,'' INS spokesman Greg Palmore said before a news conference in St. Clair County.

6 posted on 11/12/2002 7:47:50 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: The Energizer
Uninsured motorists?
7 posted on 11/12/2002 7:48:04 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: The Energizer
According to federal law, the government may conduct searches and surveillance within 25 miles of any international border.
Yikes, good thing I don't live that close to the border.
How well defined is the border in that area? I can see this being okay if it was on some barren land without a well laid out checkpoint, but isn't Detroit within 25 miles of the border? Going to setup checkpoints in the city and ask for everyone's papers?
8 posted on 11/12/2002 7:48:37 AM PST by lelio
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To: The Energizer
It's a small start to securing our borders. Hopefully, not too little, too late.
10 posted on 11/12/2002 7:50:53 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: posterkid
If SCOTUS thinks that terrorism is a more serious threat than drunk driving, then they will allow it.
11 posted on 11/12/2002 7:51:41 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: PenguinWry
Do ya live within 25 miles of an airport with International designation?
Double yikes. I do, like 80% of the people in the US probably do as any airport that has a flight to Canada or Mexico is classified as "international."
Are you just speculating on this, or has the idea been floated?
12 posted on 11/12/2002 7:56:41 AM PST by lelio
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Amendment IV: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I didn't see "except within 25 miles of the border" in there.

Maybe if I read it backwards while I stare at a picture of Osama I'll see it....

13 posted on 11/12/2002 7:59:46 AM PST by freeeee
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To: The Energizer
Good-bye 4th amendment.
15 posted on 11/12/2002 8:02:09 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Beelzebubba
When you have an activist court, anything is possible.

Looking for illegals, this could fall under US v Martinez-Fuente, but that allowed fixed checkpoints. "Courts must consider the scope of the particular intrusion, the manner in which it is conducted, the justification for initiating it, and the place in which it is conducted." Roving checkpoints are more open to abuse.

17 posted on 11/12/2002 8:02:46 AM PST by posterkid
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To: lelio
How well defined is the border in that area?

Fairly well defined I'd say.
There's either a river, Lake Saint Clair, or one Great Lakes between Canada and Michigan.
There is no land to land border.

Detroit is right on the Detroit River, which is the international border,
so yes much of Detroit is within the 25 miles.

18 posted on 11/12/2002 8:05:33 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: posterkid
There is a difference between local traffic cops and border security.

From United States v. Bulacan, 9th Cir. 1998:

Further, Congress has granted to the Executive plenary authority to conduct routine border searches to prevent the introduction of contraband into the country. See Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. at 537
. The Court has noted that, under this power:
[r]outine searches of the persons and effects of entrants are not subject to any requirement of reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or warrant . . . . Automotive travelers may be stopped at fixed check points near the border without individualized suspicion even if the stop is based largely on ethnicity, and boats on inland waters with ready access to the sea may be hailed and boarded with no suspicion whatever.

Id. at 538 (footnote and citations omitted).

The issues here is what they mean by "rotating". If the checkpoint is fixed but manned on a rotating basis (as is presently done about 20 miles inland from the Mexican border) the plan will probably pass constitutional muster. If it means that the checkpoints will be set up at irregular locations, then you are right, there are constitutional implications.

19 posted on 11/12/2002 8:06:13 AM PST by PAR35
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To: The Energizer
"Michigan is home to about 350,000 Arab-Americans, with the population concentrated in the southeastern part of the state."

There are two areas of the country that I know of that have high concentrations of Arabs and that is Detroit and Washington DC.

I guess if I was an illegal Arab and needed to blend-in then Detroit is where I'd head to rather than Iowa. I would say this is something we should have done 13 months ago.

20 posted on 11/12/2002 8:10:20 AM PST by BeAllYouCanBe
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