Carrs knew violence and instability as children [Wichita Massacre]

The Wichita Eagle ^ | 11/10/02 | Ron Sylvester

[KS Flyover]

I've got you added to the list, glory.

I wonder if any members of the jury will be persuaded by this psycho-babble to go with a life sentence over the death penalty? I certainly hope not.

This was written about juror No. 3 before the trial started:

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The race issue continued to fester during jury selection last week, when both prosecutors and defense lawyers tried to exclude a black man, a Boeing employee, from the jury. The defense objected to his strong support for the death penalty, while the prosecution said he appeared sympathetic toward the Carrs because of their race.

"I hate to see young black men go through this," the man said during jury selection.

But Sedgwick County Judge Paul Clark refused to dismiss him, citing the U.S. Supreme Court precedent in Batson vs. Kentucky, which bars courts from striking black jurors on the assumption that they would favor black defendants.

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Juror No. 1 is a 23-year-old white male carpenter who neither favors nor opposes the death penalty.

Juror No. 2 is a 59-year old black male executive who strongly favors the death penalty.

Juror No. 3 is a 49-year-old black male who works at Boeing and favors the death penalty in certain cases.

Juror No. 4 is a 34-year-old white male Cessna machinist who strongly favors the death penalty and presumes the Carrs are guilty.

Juror No. 5 is 68-year-old retired white male civil aviation administrator who favors the death penalty in certain cases and presumes the Carrs guilty.

Juror No. 6 is a 23-year-old unemployed white female who neither favors nor opposes the death penalty and presumes the Carrs guilty.

Juror No. 7 is a 23-year-old white female accountant who neither favors nor opposes the death penalty.

Juror No. 8 is a 51-year-old white male Koch Materials employee who strongly favors the death penalty and presumes the Carrs are guilty.

Juror No. 9 is a 63-year-old white female nurse who strongly favors the death penalty.

Juror No. 10 is a 38-year-old white female department store worker who neither favors nor opposes the death penalty.

Juror No. 11 is a 30-year-old white male Boeing employee who neither favors nor opposes the death penalty.

Juror No. 12 is a 27-year-old white female who works in advertising who favors the death penalty in certain cases.

[Gunrunner2]

Nope, you are not alone.

Silly tripe written about evil animals.

[IamHD]

Doesn't this:

Juror No. 3 is a 49-year-old black male who works at Boeing and favors the death penalty in certain cases.

contradict this statement of juror #3:

"I hate to see young black men go through this," the man said during jury selection.

[IamHD]

Well, maybe it doesn't. I reread it, and his initial comment was made during jury selection. Although, I sense a little "I'm sorry that another one of my bros." may end up in prison.

[mrustow]

Don't apologize to me -- the thread nannies, er, I mean moderators (SORRY!!!), have software which now allows them to read such thoughts and censor them, while they are still in your brain.

BTW, you're right -- the news broadcasts here have had to give so many lengthy reports on poor Winona Ryder, that there just hasn't been any air time left to report on the Wichita Massacre trial.

[mrustow]

Doesn't this:

Juror No. 3 is a 49-year-old black male who works at Boeing and favors the death penalty in certain cases.

contradict this statement of juror #3:

"I hate to see young black men go through this," the man said during jury selection.

Not at all; it just means that he favors the death penalty for non-blacks.

[IamHD]

I'm really screwing up today. (making a note to myself; must read more clearly.) :)

[Cubs Fan]

the only thing this shows me is how bleeped up the brothers were from the beginning.

The people around them were depraved too, but sadly that's just the way black inner city culture is. If you want something, whether its sex, or someone else's money you just take it. If you don't like something someone does you deal with them violently. If you want to live on welfare and get high all day, or be an able bodied young man hanging out with friends on the street corner instead of working, or drink till drunk with little kids, hey so what?

Entitlement, envy, covetousness, no respect for others, if it feels good do it, and an "its always someone else's fault" mentality, these are the cultural norms in black inner cities.

And until the people that comprise that culture are ready to take a serious look at themselves and change it, it will continue to turn out miscreants like these in large numbers.

[Billthedrill]

I read the whole article and didn't notice a peep about the childhoods of the victims. Nothing about their families either. Only their murderers'. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

[mrustow]

Of course, you're right. I thought that I'd just throw a 2nd reason out. When do you think the movie and book will come out? Well, maybe a book, 'cause if a movie were made, the perps would have to be totally covered so as not to show their race.

We'll be lucky to see even a book. I just bought a used copy of Zebra, Clark Howard's story of the Zebra killings, which by Howard's estimate involved the racial murders of 270 white Californians by members of the Nation of Islam. That would make it far and away the biggest case of serial murder in American history, yet the book was never reissued after its 1979 publication, and is in today's much more pc climate out of print. Most publishers won't touch a book on the Wichita Massacre.