Posted on 11/08/2002 10:50:42 PM PST by JohnFiorentino
Why not give the full story?
By that response, you have confrmed your receipt and review of my posting #56 to you - without claiming any inaccuracies in it.
I, for one, believe that the official explanation for what happen to TWA FLT 800 is wrong and may even be part of some cover up that benefited the Clinton administration and Clinton's standings in the polls and his re-election efforts. However, I don't believe that Asmodeus' "sole purpose is obfuscation and disruption." For all I know, his motive may be the same as mine: to know the truth.
I want you to win this one, but your attempting to question or slander one of your best critics' motives is unconvincing, lowers you, and reflects poorly on your efforts. Beat him with facts and you win this for all of us who are on your side.
I am praying that you have legally convincing evidence. The victims of Flt. 800 and the rest of us need to know. I'd like to be able to trust the relevent government agencies...again. I apologize for the sermon.
This clown has been defending the official (sic) version for as long as I have been here.
I promise you, he is going to tell you
there were no witnesses.
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Lee S. Kreindler is a trial and appellate lawyer specializing in the handling of air crash cases. He is senior partner of Kreindler & Kreindler, a firm which spends full time on litigation arising out of airline, military, and private airplane crashes, products liability, and cases arising out of industrial accidents and injuries.
Mr. Kreindler is:
Past President and Dean of the International Academy of Trial Lawyers. A Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers.
Former Chairman of the Aviation Litigation Committee of the Litigation Section of the American Bar Association.
Former Chairman of the Aviation Law Section of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America.
Author of Aviation Accident Law, (three volumes; Matthew Bender; 1963, revised 1971, updated yearly), and numerous law review, law journal and bar publication articles on aviation law.
Mr. Kreindler has been unanimously elected by the plaintiffs' lawyers handling the Swissair Flight 111 cases arising out of the crash of the McDonnell Douglas MD 11 aircraft at Peggy's Cove, Nova Scotia on September 2, 1998, as Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee that will be suggested to the Court. Our firm currently represents the families of 48 of the deceased passengers in that disaster.
Mr. Kreindler is presently acting as Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee and Co-Lead Counsel in the litigation arising out of the TWA 800 disaster off Long Island, New York on July 17, 1996; was appointed Lead Counsel and Chairman of the Plaintiffs' Committee in the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie litigation at the inception of the case, was in charge of the preparation of the cases and was principal trial lawyer for the plaintiffs. He served as one of the lead counsel in the Multi-District Litigation arising out of the Northwest Airlines MD-80 crash in Detroit in 1987 and has served as Lead Counsel or Member of the Plaintiffs' Steering Committee in Multi-District Litigation arising out of Turkish Airlines DC-10 crash in Paris, 1974; Air India 747 crash in Bombay, 1978; the American Airlines DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979; the Delta Airlines L-1011 crash in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, 1985; and the Arrow Air DC-8 crash in Gander, Newfoundland, 1985.
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Does John Fiorentino or anyone else with their plug wires in proper order really believe that people like that have connived with the U.S. government to "coverup" a missile shootdown or bombing of TWA 800, making themselves vulnerable to disbarment, criminal prosecution, imprisonment, massive civil lawsuits by the victim's families, etc.?
Mr. Fiorentino claims to be a very experienced and competent paralegal. If so, he's presumed to either know what competent legal representation is, what the applicable State Bar Rules of Professional Conduct are, what compelling evidence is, what the applicable criminal laws are, what the applicable civil laws are - or, how to conduct the research necessary to find out. He's also presumed to know the importance of having all that - and his own investigation, reviewed by a competent attorney to see if he has it right.
It remains to be seen whether he will provide us with a meaningful response to Reply #60 without further delay but it seems to me unlikely from his paper trail that he ever will.
[ Fiorentino or anyone else with their plug wires in proper order really believe that people like that have connived with the U.S. government to "coverup" a missile shootdown or bombing of TWA 800, making themselves vulnerable to disbarment, criminal prosecution, imprisonment, massive civil lawsuits by the victim's families, etc.?]
Now, I have stated that I do have a somewhat open mind - but am not persuaded one bit by the supposed vulnerability to disbarment, criminal prosecution, etc., of a group of trial lawyers - as a valid argument. You probably have some good arguments in your arsenal. But to say they would be more frightened of disbarment, criminal prosecution,e tc. than of the US Government - that is not an argument. If these people do know the government was involved or covered up, do you really think whether or not they would loose their license be their primary worry. It certainly wouldn't be mine. If you knew the facts and they pointed to the government and you were in a position to actually do something about it, and knowing they had already downed a plane load of innocent people and covered it up so far, what would you do? Think about it.
Exactly right. After watching the Clinton crime family in action, after reading about the supposed Clinton death list (which seems rather plausible, unfortunately), after Waco, after etc., I tend to think as you do. I'm sure that no matter how powerful or well connected or how damaging one's information, there is someone or something that they value, that can be threatened to the point where they keep quiet or lie under oath.
"Missile? what missile? Terrorist? I di'n't see no terrorist."
The cermaic pellets are an incontrovertable fact. They were recovered from bodies of victims, and were analyzed by a lab that published their results. This is all part of the public record, and is the closest thing I have seen to a smoking gun.
As you said, ceramics were used in some jet engines, but not in 747s of that vintage, and an unlikely source of shrapnel in victims in any case.
My guess is that these are from the joints in a continuous-rod SAM warhead.
All of which rather begs the question... if they weren't part of the aircraft, how did they get there?
Asmodeus is bad enough as just a crank or disruptor. If he is a paid shill for a sleazy tort lawyer, his posts should all be deleted as pollution.
Excellent point. And that's just the acknowledged ones.
Conversely, a shoulder-fired missile is plausible if the aircraft was flying low and slow enough...
On the other hand, I'm also told portable SAMs of all origins are readily available from state sponsors of terrorism and on the private arms market.
Now you're talking. If it was fired from a boat, it does not need to be man-portable.
The Connecticut, Queens, Gander and Air India crashes all cry out for new investigations now that the blinders have been partially removed from our national consciousness.
Not to mention the Russian flight out of Israel. We are supposed to believe a Ukainian SAM flew clear from the other end of the Black Sea and hit it. Right. I want to visit the officer that took the fall for that in his new villa in Monaco.
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