[Right Wing Professor]

My position is that ID is an attempt to reimpose the values of an earlier era of theocratic domination of intellectual life, three centuries after the enlightenment vanquished that domination. Dembski himself, in effect, agrees. He says theology belongs in science. He, unlike his enthusiasts on FR, is frank about that. I, and others, have posted fragments from his writings, or chapter headings form his books, that make this clear. The facts have been argued over and over again, but this really isn't about the facts; if it were, IDers wouldn't try to conceal what Dembski himself has the intellectual honesty to admit.

The real irony was that it was the reformation and Protestantism that made it possible for natural philosophy to escape the stranglehold the Catholic Church held over the intellectual life of Europe. Now, centuries later, the Church is a haven for the scientific values of the enlightenment, and it is one branch of Protestantism that endangers those values.

No doubt it annoys you that I want to analyse you as a historical phenomenon, and defeat you, rather than debate you. You could regard that as an insult. So be it. But I see it as self-contradictory to cede the enlightenment values of civil and equal discourse to a school of thought that seeks to suppress those values.

[gore3000]

My position is that ID

I have read enough insults from you today. I could care less what else you have to say. Bye.

[PatrickHenry]

I see it as self-contradictory to cede the enlightenment values of civil and equal discourse to a school of thought that seeks to suppress those values.

Good. Very good. Or, as Ayn Rand might have said, they seek to use our virtues against us.