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Windows Cheaper Than Linux, Says Microsoft
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| 5 November, 2002
| Rob Jones
Posted on 11/07/2002 5:13:25 AM PST by ShadowAce
European chief argues that total cost of ownership is lower
Microsoft has dismissed claims that Linux is more cost-effective for businesses, arguing that Windows is cheaper over its total lifecycle.
When asked by Gartner about Microsoft's intensifying battle against the open source operating system, European president Jean-Phillipe Courtois claimed that Linux is in fact more expensive to run than Windows.
Arguments that Linux is free, and therefore a good alternative for governments and organisations on a tight budget, are incorrect, he said.
Courtois claimed that Microsoft has been tracking the total cost of ownership (TCO) in 12 organisations across a range of business sectors, and that in 95 per cent of cases the "TCO was better on the Windows platform".
Licensing costs account for just five per cent of the total cost of an operating system, he said, and those plumping for Microsoft have an easier life in terms of application integration both internally and with external business partners.
But Courtois was challenged by Peter Sondergaard, Gartner's president of research in Europe.
He argued that the perception among chief information officers is that Linux and open source software is more cost-effective than Windows and Microsoft's Office applications.
"I do expect that some of your clients are looking for a response on licensing or more flexibility in the packaging," he said.
Courtois replied: "As soon as you start digging down you go beyond licensing. It's not that we are perfect with licensing; we need to make it simpler. But it's about the end-to-end environment."
He claimed that, with such a rich diversity of software applications and hardware devices now on the market, companies can achieve tighter integration by using Windows.
However, there is growing interest in Linux in the public sector. Last month, West Yorkshire police took delivery of Linux desktops as part of a trial for the operating system for English and Welsh forces.
And the European Commission handed open source advocate Netproject a 250,000 (£160,000) contract to conduct a feasibility study into running the operating system in government departments.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; tco
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Notice there are no details as to why Windows is cheaper. I see some vague mentions about compatibility and integration, but that's about it.
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:13:25 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
To: rdb3
Ping it
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:14:10 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.
Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!
Got root?
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:18:11 AM PST
by
rdb3
To: ShadowAce
Well, Windows IS cheaper. Cheaper quality. Microsoft won't willingly release their source code because they're afraid of future embarassment.
To: ShadowAce
Who are you going to believe? Microsoft or your lying eyes?
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:21:55 AM PST
by
AppyPappy
To: ShadowAce
I could see why Linux would be more expensive than one would expect. Basically, technical people are not as common and therefore more expensive than Windows.
But I have a hard time believing a sweeping statement about MS being cheaper. It seems to me that the size of the installation, # of admins, # of servers, etc. would vary so much that you can't say a particular solution is best for situations.
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:22:40 AM PST
by
ProudGOP
To: ProudGOP
Bing bing. If you don't write a gui most windows admins are lost. And windows admins in my experience don't usually have the first clue about the hardware, much less the software. They don't know why or how things work - just that they have to push button a followed by button b...
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:41:19 AM PST
by
Havoc
To: ShadowAce
Courtois claimed that Microsoft has been tracking the total cost of ownership (TCO) in 12 organisations across a range of business sectors, and that in 95 per cent of cases the "TCO was better on the Windows platform". Did they count the cost of the time spent rebooting?
To: Smile-n-Win
With Windows XP rebooting is rarely an issue as it was in earlier versions of Windows since its based on the industrial strength NT kernel. Linux server versions on the other hand have almost always been crash proof. Even a error won't bring down the entire operating system. It's taken til XP for Microsoft to get Windows up to that standard of computing reliability on home computers.
To: Havoc
They don't know why or how things work Why should they? Does anyone?
To: ShadowAce
The study is probably based on getting Windows 3.1, Win 95 or Windows NT4.0 upon release and NEVER "upgrading".
Or acquiring a pirated copy of Windows and not paying for it.
I could see Linux losing in such a cases.
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posted on
11/07/2002 5:56:13 AM PST
by
Jake0001
To: ProudGOP
Although I am probably not representative of most users, I used *nix and CPM before DOS came to the market. I spend less time administering my linux machines (3) than I do on my wife's W2K machine.
There is a world of technical help available on USENET, in fact, many of the developers are there to assist. Having source code, many problems can be fixed on the spot.
KDE and GNOME are reasonable desktops and there are several GUI based admin applications.
The flexibility of linux does not impose a "one size fits all" paradigm; however, this does concern many less than top notch administrators.
Linux registered workstation: 157312
Linux registered user: 224182
To: ShadowAce
It is my sorry misfortune to support 25 Win 98SE PCs at the office. I spend 1-2 hours daily resolving windows issues for the staff. This is not very cost effective.
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posted on
11/07/2002 6:03:41 AM PST
by
winner45
To: Aquinasfan
Why ? Because if something fails, it's ALSO their job to troubleshoot it and fix it. . .
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posted on
11/07/2002 6:28:35 AM PST
by
Salgak
To: Aquinasfan
Why should they? Does anyone?Of course. It would behoove the user to know something about how the system works.
No mercy.
Coming soon: Tha SYNDICATE.
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posted on
11/07/2002 8:06:33 AM PST
by
rdb3
To: Jake0001
The study is probably based...Yeah. Probably.
I could see Linux losing in such a cases.
Why is that not surprising?
No mercy.
Coming soon: Tha SYNDICATE.
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posted on
11/07/2002 8:09:38 AM PST
by
rdb3
To: ShadowAce
Notice there are no details as to why Windows is cheaper.Yup, no surprise here, just more FUD from Microsoft, since TCO is about the only argument they have left against OSS.
Arguments that Linux is free... are incorrect..
.. with such a rich diversity of software applications and hardware devices now on the market, companies can achieve tighter integration by using Windows.
But you'll still need to buy those extra applications and pay for support/maintenance whether or not you need it. If you don't pay for on-site support (which you'll need to wait for) you'll need to dedicate a fraction of a headcount for self-support. And beyond a certain amount of time (5 years or so, assuming the vendor is still around) you'll need to buy upgrades, because you can't get support for the old stuff at any price.
OTOH, you get gigabytes of applications bundled with a typical Linux distro. There are other apps and support information out on the Internet at very competitive prices (most for $0) if you want to dedicate a fraction of a headcount for self-support. If you go with RedHat you can also buy commercial support.
As you scale up, your per-seat licence costs increase. You'll probably have to dedicate a portion of a headcount to keep track of all your licenses (or let BSA do it for you, at a substantial cost).
You may find some situations where the OSS alternative is the more expensive route. If you have specialized hardware, for example, you might have to pay someone to write some drivers. Every situation is different, but in the majority of cases, going with closed-source is more expensive in terms of money, risk and long-term stability.
The absense of real numbers to support TCO assertions might indicate that there aren't any. MS is studying this very hard; perhaps they'll pay Gartner or somebody for a reasonably believable "white paper" soon.
Or maybe not.
To: TechJunkYard
OTOH, you get gigabytes of useless crap bundled with a typical Linux distro...
Fixed it for you.
You'll probably have to dedicate a portion of a headcount to keep track of all your licenses (or let BSA do it for you, at a substantial cost).
Why would you need to dedicate headcount when a simple compliance app like
this (one of many available) will do it for you? Keep trying.
The absense of real numbers to support TCO assertions might indicate that there aren't any.
Wrong. It suggests that this article didn't name any.
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posted on
11/07/2002 9:35:43 AM PST
by
Bush2000
To: winner45
It is my sorry misfortune to support 25 Win 98SE PCs at the office. I spend 1-2 hours daily resolving windows issues for the staff. This is not very cost effective.
It's Win9x. You wouldn't be seeing these issues if you were using XP.
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posted on
11/07/2002 9:37:02 AM PST
by
Bush2000
To: Bush2000
It's Win9x. You wouldn't be seeing these issues if you were using XP. LOL. Isn't that what we hear about every new Windows release?
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posted on
11/07/2002 9:39:26 AM PST
by
B Knotts
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