[Technogeeb]

I never thought you advocated such a dishonest abomination.

Then you appear to be arguing (and using inaccurate and ad hominem attacks) for no other purpose that arguing. If you really cared about the subject (a national sales tax) you would be more interested in correcting its flaws than in attacking those who point out those flaws.

Your accumulated degree of dishonesty over several posts

I have not posted a single dishonest statement, other than when copying your comments. You claim that my showing the flaws in your preferred system is "dishonest", when ultimately you yourself are forced to agree that those flaws do indeed exist.

caused me to realize that a person in power at HHS with equal degree of dishonesty could create such an abomination.

The proposed system is so flawed that no "dishonesty" would be needed. A leftist bureaucrat could pervert the system into communism merely by redefining the value of the poverty level. It is not "dishonest" for him to do so, merely tyrannical, and my pointing out that obvious flaw is no more "dishonest" than a structual engineer pointing out the flaws in a proposed bridge design that would result in catastrophe if not corrected.

When I challenge you to come up with an example of my dishonesty, you can only regurgitate a comment I made about the ability of a bureaucrat to impose communism by fiat merely by changing the definition of the poverty level. But since the bureaucracy really does have that power under the proposed legislation (using its pre-existing power to define the poverty level), it is not dishonest, it is merely a statement of fact. In reality, the only "dishonest" statements in this thread has been your unjustified attacks on me and your lies insisting that the HHS is an "honest" bureaucracy that can be trusted with such drastic power.

[Zon]

When I challenge you to come up with an example of my dishonesty,

As I've already told you: "Your comments are on record; I'm glad to let the reader juxtaposition our comments."

Zon: You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve. 936

Technogeeb: Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats. 939