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To: Technogeeb

the same administration can modify the value of this calculation merely by changing the value of the poverty level. And since that requires nothing more than the secretary publishing the new value in the Federal Register, your system, once passed, allows a single individual (and an unelected one at that) the ability to convert the economy of the United States into a communistic one.

You have stepped beyond the bounds of any rational discussion.

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The review for publication in the Federal Register is extensive with public and congressional input required with presidential review authorization, a process established by statutory law, not the mere fiat of an individual. I would suggest you tone your rhetoric down before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you have already.

The system you are making your statements about is the current one in place and the NRST changes nothing about it. By your reasoning , the EITC of the income/payroll tax system should have already done under the control of liberal congresses and presidents across the last 40 years, what you claim the NRST will do to the nation with an FCA.

The reasoning is flawed in concept as well as being the grossest sort of hyperbole.

917 posted on 11/11/2002 9:40:45 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
allows a single individual (and an unelected one at that) the ability to convert the economy of the United States into a communistic one

You have stepped beyond the bounds of any rational discussion


Sorry, but the comment is true. The system, as proposed now, allows direct payouts to all households based on a value calculated on the "poverty level". Since the poverty level is an arbitrary value that can be changed by the secretary of HHS (an unelected position), the amount of that payout can be changed at will.

The review for publication in the Federal Register is extensive with public and congressional input required with presidential review authorization

This is not true. Congressional action is required only to counteract the regulations; if Congress does nothing, the information published in the Federal Register stands. A large number of "federal regulations" have been created via this mechanism (simply by the bureaucracy publishing something in the Federal register and having Congress do nothing to counteract it). There is no safeguard in place to prevent the basis of the calculation, the poverty level, from being changed by bureaucratic fiat without any input from any elected individual.

The system you are making your statements about is the current one in place

The proposed legislation does nothing to restrict the ability of the bureaucracy to arbitrarily change the value of the poverty level, on which the value of the government handouts are based. While it is true that the mechanism of the Federal Register (that is the principle flaw in the proposed system) is already in place, that is irrelevant. The fact that it is in place doesn't mean that I agree with it (quite the contrary), and to suggest that there are adequate safeguards in place to prevent its abuse is nonsensical, since a myriad number of abuses of the system in the past are already well known.

By your reasoning , the EITC of the income/payroll tax system should have already done under the control of liberal congresses and presidents across the last 40 years, what you claim the NRST will do to the nation with an FCA.

The EITC hasn't been around for 40 years (it was created in 1975), and it IS evolving to do exactly that, with a cost of over $30 billion. Since it's creation, it has been expanded in 1986, 1990, 1993, and 2001. To suggest that it will not continue to do so unless it is abolished is foolish. Just because we have a flawed system in place now is no reason to replace it with a system that is even more flawed.

The reasoning is flawed in concept as well as being the grossest sort of hyperbole

It is not hyperbole; it is simply fact. Once this legislation is implemented, not a single additional law would need to be passed to convert the United States into a communist economy. That is a FLAW, and to suggest that it is a minor or non-existent one is very foolish.
922 posted on 11/11/2002 10:14:57 AM PST by Technogeeb
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