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To: nopardons
I'm happy that you voted straight GOP, today ; however, that wasn't what I was responding to. Oh, but what happened to your " principles "?

I would reckon his principles are to be found very near those of Theodore Roosevelt's, who in 1912 backed away from supporting Republican Taft and instead accepted the nomination of the Progressive *Bull Moose* party. As a result, T.R. came in second, behind Wilson, with Taft taking a very losing third place.

Of course Wilson, who promised to keep American sons from dying in a Europeans' war, took the U.S. to our entry in that war just a few years later. So then would you find Teddy Roosevelt's actions in standing his own political ground when Taft had placed the Republican Party on what proved to be a suicidal course to be better, or less so than pragmetism and a vote for the lesser of two weasels? [Of course Teddy's actions probably also prevented the chance that Russian Communism had any chance of gaining anything more than the slightest toehold here....]

Answer carefully, remembering that Bush I's abandonment of NRA members and shooters with his *assault weapons* import ban drove many right to the Perot camp...and gave us eight years of Bill Clinton....

By abandoning Republicans who find constitutional comprimise and unconstititional *shortcuts* acceptable, we may indeed have to accept some Democratic victories; I hope it doesn't come to that. I hope Bush II learned from Bush I's mistakes, including the one that cost him the support of many of those who loathed Clinton. But it's beginning to appear that he hasn't... and it looks as if Bush II's own *Ruby Ridge* incident may now be under way.

-archy-/-

4,475 posted on 11/06/2002 3:50:37 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
So then would you find Teddy Roosevelt's actions in standing his own political ground when Taft had placed the Republican Party on what proved to be a suicidal course to be better, or less so than pragmetism and a vote for the lesser of two weasels?
Before you go off on the road to Armageddon, read the fine print. Try it here (Progressive Party platform of 1912)

Btw, you confused 1912 with 1916. Also, as you seem not to like those who advocate "constitutional comprimise and unconstititional *shortcuts*" , do pay attention to the above link. Perhaps you didn't notice: Roosevelt held the Constitution in contempt.

4,481 posted on 11/06/2002 9:29:03 PM PST by nicollo
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To: archy
Please don't attempt to lecture me about TR. My grandfather, who was a staunch fan of his, heard him speak, worked to get him elected ( but NOT after he switched over to the BM party ), and infused a love of him, in me, when I was but a tiny child. Unlike YOU, I have heard directly, from someone who actually lived through those times, besides reading everything I could, about TR. I also know history quiet well, and your assumptions about TR keeping Communism from our shores, is utterly delusional, fallacious, and a conjecture that is unsupportable by facts.

TR conjured up and ran on the Bull Moose ticket, because of his ego. There would have been no BM party with TR. He was a one man show and a sideshow , unfortunately, at that.

Would Taft have been better than Wilson ? YES ! Would a second term og Bush the elder been better than 2 horriffic terms of X42 ? How can you even wonder about that ?

Political naifs, who went for Perot ( and that poster said NOTHING at all about the NRA, Ruby Ridge, nor anything but about " READ MY LIPS " ! ), just because of the " NO NEW TAXES " line, shouldn't be allowed to vote ; they aren't educated enough. Neither are silly " purists ", who can't see beyond the edge of their own delusional self righteousness.

Oh so President Bush is going to have his own Riby Ridge " ? REALLY ? Which are you using, tarot cards, a scrying mirror, or a crystal ball to make prognostications with ? Maybe you can give us next weeks WSJ Dow Jones figures. Oh, but never mind, dear, you aren't trustworthy; not in the least. LOL

4,483 posted on 11/06/2002 10:44:35 PM PST by nopardons
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