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To: stand watie
he's NOT a JERK, but the FB&I is FULL of CREEPS/LIARS/CRETINS/THUGS/JERKS/nazi WANNABEs!

Sorry, I think the guy is. He automatically assumes they are out to get him, and then goes into defensive posture before the agents have even said a word. He puts his faith in the media, which are biggest bunch of liars in the world, to protect his gun? There was no need to automatically turn a visit into a confrontation. Sorry if I have to trust the FBI or the Media when it comes to dealing with an incident of domestic terrorism, I have way more faith in the FBI than the media. THe media still can't bring itself to admit what these guys were. Muslim Terrorists, and possibly homosexual partners.

You own a gun that is of the type being used in terror, you own a van matching what they are looking for as well. They ask to come verify the gun is not missing or stolen. What could have been a 10-15 minute conversation and civil interaction was needless turned into a circus by a paranoid JERK.

The FBI investigates thousands of cases every year, and does so generally very professionally and well. Out of all the cases what? A few dozen or so a year wind up in problems or other issues? But those are the stories the media latches onto, and so now every FBI agent is a tyrant? Sorry no. But because he knows somebody who heard from somebody who dated somebodies cousin, he's gonna treat them like they are the enemy... JERK.

103 posted on 11/05/2002 9:58:19 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
the DIFFERENCE is i KNOW the guy and he is NOT a JERK, but MANY FB&I agents today are.

he was one of the MANY patriots that fought the "gore wars" with us at CHENEY's house!

sadly you are living in the past, if you really believe the FB&I is your friend.

ALSO, i USED to be a state LEO & a fed and the FB&I has changed, BUT not for the better since i was employed.

free dixie,sw

107 posted on 11/05/2002 10:14:52 AM PST by stand watie
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To: HamiltonJay
He automatically assumes they are out to get him,

Not necessarily. He may have been reading FR threads and (like me) seen the headsup that that gun owners were being targeted and having their guns confiscated and not returned on the pretext that they needed to do 'ballistic fingerprinting'.

108 posted on 11/05/2002 10:32:21 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: HamiltonJay
HamiltonJay said: "You own a gun that is of the type being used in terror, you own a van matching what they are looking for as well. "

He treated them far better than I would.

I recently suffered a theft of some of my firearms. The detective on the case recommended that I contact ATF. I told him I would have nothing to do with those baby killers. He contacted them himself.

110 posted on 11/05/2002 10:52:21 AM PST by William Tell
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To: HamiltonJay; stand watie
Correction. Jeff is not a jerk. And he did not automatically assume anything. He is a peaceful citizen, citizen being a keyword here. When the attention was being focused unfairly (another keyword) on law-abiding citizens who bought their firearms as much as ten years ago, and completed all federally mandated (de facto registration) paperwork Jeff did the prudent thing. He told them after talking with them for a period of time, that they would have to come back later, after he spoke with his lawyer. We still do have a right to speak with a lawyer, don't we, when a capital offense investigation is aimed our way?

He spoke with a lawyer, and also with several other brilliant legal minds within the mainstream RKBA community who shall remain nameless (it's not my place to name those names, they may wish to remain in the background); and he acted on legal advice... which was spot-on, in my "radical, individual rights is paramount" opinion. The media that was there was the right kind of media, and it was enough to give the investigators pause to consider their approach to any further activities focusing on the legal gun owners of Maryland.

We (peaceful law-abiding gun owners in Maryland) have been grabbing our ankles for years (please excuse the off-color remark), and Jeff was bold enough and smart enough to check out his options and exercise his rights as a free citizen of the "Free State," and major kudos go to him!

Sure, it's a terrible thing that there was a sniper on the loose in our back yards. But he was on the loose in our back yards. We were the ones living with the threat of being shot while we went about our daily lives. We were also the ones who were unfairly profiled as being somehow connected or even responsible for the cowardly acts of the snipers.

It was easy and safe for the investigators to come after us. We are peaceful folks. The investigators got their overtime paychecks no matter who they interviewed. The tougher job was to hunt down the real killer. And that job was done by the snipers themselves and a regular citizen who had his eyes open at the right time. I'm happy that it's over, but it could happen again; and I don't like the idea that the investigators might again come after us, the peaceful folks who obey the laws.

I think Jeff's actions will give the investigators some small pause before they try to intimidate us into handing over our legal firearms for "testing."

For many good reasons, I will not go into the many unintended consequences that could result from having our legal, legally used firearms test-fired so that the LEOs can have a "fingerprint" on file for future crimes; but there are many, and every gun owner probably knows them already. If you own a firearm and don't pick up every piece of spent brass when you shoot, for fun or food, your "fingerprint" could be picked up by anyone and placed at almost any scene. Next thing you know, you might be the latest "angry white male" suspect. Think about it.

114 posted on 11/05/2002 11:02:13 AM PST by tgslTakoma
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