THE HECK WITH THE "NEOCON" LABEL! I AM NOT THE ETHER ZONE'S TOKEN NEOCONSERVATIVE

ETHER ZONE ^ | 11/4/02 | Carol Devine-Molin

[Asclepius]

... Let me reiterate that we mainstream conservatives are no warmongers! ...

Speak for yourself, neocon. I want precision guided munitions to descend upon Baghdad like a gentle summer rain and I want it now. I want tank formations and carrier fleets and elite special operations details and missile-bearing drone aircraft. In sum, I want it all.

[freeeee]

the Hard Right always revels in the opportunity to criticize our failure at reducing government.

More likely they criticize increases in government from neocons.

And with a lengthy "war on terrorism" being waged, it's uncertain how our nation will reduce costs and the pool of government personnel over the next few years.

It would take a person with a head injury to honestly believe that in the absence of the WoT, neocons would be pushing for a decrease in the size and scope of government.

Increasing the size of government is what neocons do. It's what distinguishes them from other conservatives. You might obtain a plurality of neocons within the conservative movement, and that will be the only way you'll ever be considered "mainstream conservative' - by redefining the term.

[John Lenin]

Is that you Green eyes ?

[1Old Pro]

. I want precision guided munitions to descend upon Baghdad like a gentle summer rain and I want it now. I want tank formations and carrier fleets and elite special operations details and missile-bearing drone aircraft. In sum, I want it all.

Me too, for the simple reason that if we don't do this we will pay dearly in the long run, kinda a similar reason to drill in ANWR.

[skeeter]

Paleo, neo... its all so confusing.

I would only add that it seems odd, to me anyway, that the economic-not-social conservatives(neos?) hold Reagan up as one of them, when Reagan was considered a 'right-wing rogue' even by the GOP.

The man was extremely conservative on social issues, which seems to be the measure of a 'paleo' these days.

[John Lenin]

All I want is victory !

[Sonny M]

I've always gotten the impression that neo-conservatives were basically, your 60's hippies, grown up. Out of the stupid left-wing mantra. People who believed in equality for all, got it, and were happy, now I see neo-cons changing into something else. The label neo-con is starting to scare me in that it seems to be tossed at anyone who is not christian and is conservative, i.e. a jewish conservative, etc. David Horowitiz is considered a neo-conservative, but he's seening alot of the negativity that is tossed at him. I consider myself a grass roots conservative. The term mainstream conservative bothers me a little bit too, but that was mostly because of the way Rush Limbaugh described it. There are political quizes all over the internet, take them and see what they say.

[Lysander]

... In sum, I want it all.

Must not have children in the military eh?

[headsonpikes]

"Is that you, Gree eyes?"

'When you look at the Sun, do you see something'?

;^)

[headsonpikes]

I like 'Gree', but the man wrote 'Green'.

[habs4ever]

Ok, time to throw the lad into the lion's den.No more coddling, let's see him sink or swim.Chop chop ;-)

[St. Clair Slim]

What's a "neocon?"

[Asclepius]

... Must not have children in the military eh? ...

What an odd rejoinder. You seem to imply that any person's support for, or opposition to, a policy goal must be, by definition, motivated by self interest. You also seem to want to believe that we have something other than a professional, volunteer military--no one serves unless they want to. You also seem to believe that our brothers and sisters in uniform are not sworn by oath to defend our interests here or abroad, or that they themselves are somehow motivated only by self-interest, when simply wearing the uniform argues otherwise.

Perhaps you need to take a nap or something. You know, clear your head.

[John Lenin]

'When you look at the Sun, do you see something'?

No, but my retinas start to hurt ....

[St. Clair Slim]

"People who believed in equality for all, got it, and were happy, now I see neo-cons changing into something else. The label neo-con is starting to scare me in that it seems to be tossed at anyone who is not christian and is conservative, i.e. a jewish conservative, etc. David Horowitiz is considered a neo-conservative, but he's seening alot of the negativity that is tossed at him."

That's what I've heard.

[grania]

bump to return

[Cyber Liberty]

What's a "neocon?"

Literally translated, it's "New Conservative", which helps you not at all.

In this usage, it's a conservative that is to the left of a "paleocon", or "old conservative".

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh, welcome to FR. I saw rb's welcome thread....

[habs4ever]

Read the article and you will learn.Part of your continuing education, courtesy of your cousin.It is an argument around here that can get passionate at times.