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To: BearCub
The Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible goes out of it's way to mention FOUR SPECIFIC WOMEN who cared enough about Jesus to visit His tomb.

1. Mary Magdalene

2. Joanna.

3. Salome (wife of Zebedee)

4. Mary --the Mother of JAMES and Joses.

Mat 13:

55 He's just a carpenter's son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers--James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas

46 posted on 11/01/2002 11:34:39 AM PST by berned
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To: berned
The Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible goes out of it's way to mention FOUR SPECIFIC WOMEN who cared enough about Jesus to visit His tomb.

So what? You're argument is still faulty. It is not a sound argument at all.

51 posted on 11/01/2002 11:38:54 AM PST by BearCub
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To: berned
The Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible goes out of it's way to mention FOUR SPECIFIC WOMEN who cared enough about Jesus to visit His tomb.

Which of them were at the cross in danger of being arrested while he was dying ?

57 posted on 11/01/2002 11:41:41 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: berned
It's quite unlikely that Mary, the mother of Jesus, visited the tomb for the following reasons:

1. Jesus died not long before sundown when the Sabbath was to begin.

2. I may be wrong on this, but my understanding of Jewish law is that it would have forbidden or at least dissuaded a Jew from visiting a tomb on the Sabbath.

3. I would imagine that Mary was quite overwhelmed with grief. Though Jesus is the Messiah, He was also Mary's son, the one she had cradled as an infant. She had witnessed Him dying in a most terrible way. As a woman, I can imagine being so overwhelmed with grief that I would not have been able to drag myself out before sun up the day after Sabbath to annoint His body.

Now, having said all this, I'm not sure I understand why this is such an issue for you. If this is an attempt to 'disprove' Catholic beliefs, I'd think there were better ways to approach it.

69 posted on 11/01/2002 11:48:34 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: berned
The Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible goes out of it's way to mention FOUR SPECIFIC WOMEN who cared enough about Jesus to visit His tomb.

1. Mary Magdalene

2. Joanna.

3. Salome (wife of Zebedee)

4. Mary --the Mother of JAMES and Joses.

Mat 13:

55 He's just a carpenter's son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers--James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas

First of all which verse are you using to cite the 4 women at the tomb?

I found this:

Mark 15:39-41
39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

James the less is NOT James the Just. These are two different James'. This would mean that the Mary mother of James the less is NOT the mother of James the Just, hence, not the mother of Jesus.

The fact that this Mary is NOT the mother of Jesus, explains why Simon and Judas are not listed and why it doesn't say, 'mother of Jesus'. If she were the mother of Jesus it would have said so as it does in other places in the Bible. Why leave that out in THIS particular instance.

At any rate, James the less is not the same as James the Just and James the Just is the brother of Jesus, as mentioned by Eusebius.

Eusebius:  Ecclesiastical History
http://biblefacts.org/ecf/cvol1/euseb_b2.html

Book  II

CHAPTER I.

The Course pursued by the Apostles after the Ascension of Christ. First, then, in the place of Judas, the betrayer, Matthias, who, as has been shown was also one of the Seventy, was chosen to the apostolate. And there were appointed to the diaconate, for the service of the congregation, by prayer and the laying on of the hands of the apostles, approved men, seven in number, of whom Stephen was one. He first, after the Lord, was stoned to death at the time of his ordination by the slayers of the Lord, as if he had been promoted for this very purpose. And thus he was the first to receive the crown, corresponding to his name, which belongs to the martyrs of Christ. Then James, whom the ancients surnamed the Just on account of the excellence of his virtue, is recorded to have been the first to be made bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord because he was known as a son of Joseph, and Joseph was supposed to be the father of Christ, because the Virgin, being betrothed to him, "was found with child by the Holy Ghost before they came together," as the account of the holy Gospels shows. But Clement in the sixth book of his Hypotyposes writes thus: "For they say that Peter and James and John after the ascension of our Savior, as if also preferred by our Lord, strove not after honor, but chose James the Just bishop of Jerusalem."

303 posted on 11/01/2002 6:35:51 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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