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To: berned
There have to be AT LEAST three James's, and I can readily prove it.

I don't think anybody can "prove" it. I don't spend a lot of time chasing questions like these, since they are not of paramount importance, but from what I've seen, most Scriptural scholars, both Catholic and Protestant, attest to two James. Could there be a third one? I suppose. But with the information available, nobody can definitively prove anything. Your weakness seems to lie here:

We also know the James of Mat 13:55 is NOT the son of Alphaeus, because Alphaeus had ANOTHER son, and his name was LEVI (also called "Matthew")

Question. Why do you think these two Alphaeus' are one and the same? Alphaeus also was a fairly common name. Levi was a tax collector of all things! If Alphaeus who many believe is the same as the one called Clopas was the father of James, then it is unlikely that Alphaeus the father of Levi is the same person. I've just never seen among the many Scriptural scholars I've read, Protestant and Catholic alike, where they assume these two to be one and the same. In any event, either way, whatever. Not the most important issue in the Church. No Scriptural scholar I've read will come out and definitively state the solution to the "James debate", I guess that is what you would call it. Most concentrate on there being two James.

404 posted on 11/03/2002 7:01:02 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
I don't think the authenticity of the inscription on the box matters one iota. The Catholic doctrine like that of the Eastern Orthodox is the eternal virginity of Mary. This doctrine isn't upset if James was Jesus's step-brother or his cousin. The absurdity of this all is that somehow the inscription is proof that James is the son of the Virgin Mary. I don't find any claim in Scripture that James was this Mary's son. If Mary was present at the tomb wouldn't the evangelist have pointed that out instead of pointing out that she was the mother of James, but perhaps that's something the evangelist wouldn't claim because it was commonly held knowledge. What really gets me is that after 1500 years of the church we have these arrogant upstarts who somehow claim they have canonical proof of that the Virgin Mary is James's mother. When the reason that we have the Canon is because of the church.
407 posted on 11/03/2002 7:24:08 PM PST by Coeur de Lion
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