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To: TotusTuus
I could use a little help here. None of the Four Gospels mention Mary the Mother of our Lord going to the tomb.

Ok, first some "setup"...

Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Now, for the "Tomb" verses...

Mar 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Luk 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

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Please read this along with post # 391, regarding how many "James's" there were.

398 posted on 11/03/2002 6:39:53 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
Now, for the "Tomb" verses...

Mar 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is the above verse from the crucifixion or from the tomb? I think its from the crucifixion.

399 posted on 11/03/2002 6:46:56 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: berned
You've got to be kidding, right?

Mary the Mother of Jesus isn't mentioned in any of these verses. The "Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses" is a different woman.

Would you have us believe that the Gospel authors, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit no less, would not identify the Mother of our Lord as such. St. John, who was there with her, does - at the Cruxification. Look at the supposition of the find in the article. That "James son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" is important because a brothers name would only be used if he were really important. I'd say that Jesus is a really important Figure in the Gospels, wouldn't you? So even if you were to believe that Mary the mother of James and Joses, et. al. was also the same as her who is the Mother of our Lord, don't you think the Gospel evangelists would point that out and refer to her as "the Mother of Jesus"? The fact that they don't is the best proof that Mary the mother of James is not the Mother of God.

Your "tomb" example from St. Mark's Gospel is actually on Golgatha at the Cross.

In any event, why do you have a hard time assuming that Mary the Mother of our Lord would not have been at the tomb since He had already seen her. Since she, who knew Him more intimately than anyone else, keeping all the events of His Life since before His Birth and pondering them in her heart, would have known that He would Resurrect on the third day - as He made known to His Apostles (they didn't understand at the time. Scripture says nothing about Mary the Mother of Jesus not understanding). Scripture neither asserts nor precludes this fact. The early Church Fathers naturally assumed it, in fact, some argued that the Scriptures imply it - since Mary was absent at the tomb that first day of the week. That odd detail did not go unnoticed by them. It didn't make sense - unless she had already seen Him! Why would it be wrong for others to contemplate this as well? The Holy Scriptures in no way precludes this possibility. Their silence about her being at the tomb invites it.

413 posted on 11/03/2002 7:52:50 PM PST by TotusTuus
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