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To: Polycarp
Might Moslems haoxsters have a similar agenda to prove Jesus had brothers/sisters just like protestant fundies do?

Actually, Muslims believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Our Lady. It is explicitly asserted in the Koran.

Since (as a Christian) I obviously believe they got that idea from us, its presence in the Koran, while not proving its truth, certainly proves its antiquity. (Actually, the belief was already centuries old when the Koran was written.)

148 posted on 11/01/2002 1:21:05 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
Very good point. I'd like to know then what the real agenda of these hoaxsters is. I think the Muslims know who really represents Christianity in the world (how many Muslim plots to kill Billy graham versus to kill the POPE?!?) so this could be their own attempt at psy-ops to drive a wedge further between the differing camps of their enemy, Christianity. (Tinfoil off now.)
152 posted on 11/01/2002 1:24:29 PM PST by Polycarp
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Campion I apologise for not reading the thread properly, you had already answered Polycarp's question. The chapter of the Koran you refer to (Maryam), as you say, it shows widespread acknowledgment of the virginity of Mary. Some say that it was drawn from a Coptic "Infancy of Jesus" text, as well as other non-canonical gospels.

There is also a large body of Islamic tales about both Jesus and Mary. Obviously, more folklore than anything else, but quite possibly drawing on early Christian narratives. Springs associated with Mary are credited with many miracles in the Middle East.

The figure of Mary may have influenced the early Islamic community, because of the way that the Shia fastened on to the role of Fatima, Mohammed's daughter. According to Shia doctrines, she transmitted the line of divine guidance and was herself a holy figure. As she was married and had several children, she couldn't be described as a virgin, but some of the claims around Fatima - such as that she never menstruated, was never impure, was "not like other women" - sound like a varient of what some theologians postulated about Mary. Fatima's birth was suppossedly attended by a mystic appartion of Mary the Virgin. Fatima's early and tragic death (a fatal beating by one of the Caliphs) and the later martyrdom of her son Hussayn, set the seal on her image as an icon of Shi'aism. They refer to her as Lady Fatemeh, and attribute great powers of intercession to her.

All this, in the eyes of the majority Sunni Islam, is pernicious nonsense. They say that Fatima was an ordinary, if good, woman, that the Prophet's legacy could only pass through men, that her death was an accident and Caliph Omar a rightous ruler, and that all talk of intercession is an actual heresy. It is not only Christianity that has a few divisions in beliefs ... (grin!)
255 posted on 11/01/2002 3:18:54 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Campion
Actually, Muslims believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Our Lady. It is explicitly asserted in the Koran.

I am unaware of any such assertion in the Koran. Chapter and verse, please.

348 posted on 11/01/2002 11:30:50 PM PST by John Locke
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