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Wiccans Offer Alternative to Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com ^ | October 31, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 10/31/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by H8DEMS

(CNSNews.com) - Frustrated by an unsuccessful campaign to achieve religious recognition from the Boy Scouts of America, a Seattle-based Wicca church has launched its own youth program, which is based on tolerance for different beliefs, including differences in sexual orientation.

SpiralScouts founder Pete 'Pathfinder' Davis believes that many of the things the Boy Scouts are doing are "socially inappropriate." He said he created to the SpiralScouts to "fill the void left by prejudicial treatment of other established children's programs."

Davis, who serves as the Archpriest of the Wiccan Aquarian Tabernacle Church, said his main argument with the BSA is that the group has refused to recognize Wicca as an acceptable form of worship, but at the same time, the BSA incorporates the symbols of myriad Christian denominations into its Religious Emblems program.

He said the Scouts rejected a Wicca badge that was designed and submitted by a well-known Wiccan priestess.

In 1999, Davis created the SpiralScouts as the Aquarian Tabernacle Church's "answer" to the Boy Scouts and other youth organizations that subscribe only to "traditional" faiths. Today, the SpiralScouts welcomes children of all ages (four and up) and backgrounds, including Wiccans, pagans, atheists and homosexuals.

Davis said practicing Wicca is not a mandatory activity for the 50 SpiralScout units currently operating across the U.S., Canada and Switzerland. Beyond fostering a respect for nature, it is up to each SpiralScout unit leader to decide whether they will teach children the principles and philosophy of the Wiccan religion.

The vast majority of the SpiralScout units are operated by Wiccan groups and churches, he said.

"When we started to formalize the program, we designed it in a fashion that it's oriented towards earth religion, but so is Scouting, whether they realize it or not," Davis said. Unlike the "pervasive" use of Christianity contained within the BSA, the SpiralScouts was created to accommodate the spiritual beliefs of any minority religious group, he said.

SpiralScouts describes itself as a work in progress. It says it offers children the opportunity to develop interpersonal and life skills and a pagan world view, in addition to learning "the usual handicrafts of scouting and woodland lore."

Boy Scouts dismiss rejection

According to BSA spokesman Gregg Shields, religious emblems are the property of approved religious scouting organizations and are awarded at their own discretion. For example, he said the National Catholic Council on Scouting and the National Jewish Committee on Scouting each have their own unique religious emblem.

"There is no national Wiccan organization," Shields said. "So, that's why there is no religious award for Wiccans."

He encouraged any Wiccan group that would like to charter a troop in their community to submit an application to their local BSA council for consideration.

Focus on tolerance

According to the SpiralScouts membership requirements, it is imperative that parents and leaders promote religious and cultural tolerance so their children may learn to co-exist with society as a whole. Specifically, the group encourages children to accept the "differing roles of male and female throughout nature and culture."

Contrary to the Boy Scout policy of excluding homosexuals - a policy upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - the SpiralScouts welcomes homosexuals within its ranks. Davis explained that the Wiccan religion accommodates homosexuals because its philosophy is focused on the "balance of polarities" of that exist in nature.

For example, Davis said the SpiralScouts mandates that leaders of individual units should include both a male and a female. However, he said the rules are flexible because some adults, such as homosexuals, "believe themselves to be embodying masculine or feminine characteristics."

Davis believes that such a male/female balance of leadership ensures a SpiralScout's positive integration into the real world. "Children are not born with prejudices," he noted. "They have to learn prejudice and intolerance from others."

Defiance of 'extreme right'

According to the group's handbook, "SpiralScouts is something new, something perhaps of historic proportions for modern Paganism. It certainly will have an unmistakable impact on Pagan children growing up in this era of Christian extreme-right domination of our culture."

According to the SpiralScouts' interpretation of the pagan philosophy, children participating in the program will learn to honor "both the maleness and femaleness we all harbor within us," as the handbook put it. "Perhaps, if we are lucky, even a few parents who may need some brushing up on these same skills may reap benefits just from being there with the children while the kids learn these things."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atheists; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; devil; homosexuals; satan; scouts; wiccans
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To: American in Israel
Nice reply and I respect your hebrew education.

What does this have to do with the Celts?

161 posted on 10/31/2002 2:21:10 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Did they win the game?

-grin-

Goodnight my friend. It is past midnight and all good little Christians should be in bed... (of course us onery ones tend to stay up.)

(The hebrew said that I only speak first grade hebrew, do you understand hebrew?) I will ask a few friends tomorrow. If it is anything earth shattering I will get back to the thread.
162 posted on 10/31/2002 2:28:56 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: H8DEMS
Davis believes that such a male/female balance of leadership ensures a SpiralScout's positive integration into the real world. "Children are not born with prejudices," he noted. "They have to learn prejudice and intolerance from others."

Male/female balance? Positive integration? Real world? Children not born with prejudices? This is a recipe for disaster. (Cliché intended).

Instead of spreading truth, justice, and beauty, all that will come of this is deceit, injury, and ugliness. I pity his blindness, and am saddened for the children who will be injured.

"...It was the foolish dream of children. It was the childish dream of fools...." Children’s Crusade, Tonio K., ©1987 Unicity Music/N.Y.M.

163 posted on 10/31/2002 2:52:17 PM PST by freebounder
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To: freebounder
Thanx for the Tonio K reference! "You Were There" is a great track on that album, doncha think?
164 posted on 10/31/2002 3:20:54 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: H8DEMS
based on tolerance for different beliefs

Boy Scouts is about surviving in the wilderness and not getting lost. Being prepared through knowledge and training to face whatever emergency arises. A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent, remember? Don't see tolerant on the list, but it might be implied.

165 posted on 10/31/2002 3:27:16 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Alex Murphy
yw

"you were there" is great (i wore my cassette copy out from playing it too much. i think "notes of a lost civilization", and "romeo unchained" are two of his best albums--Everytime i read a news story like the one from this post one of his songs will flash through my mind.

when weird al yankovich was asked who his favorite artist was, he said Tonio K. Another enjoyable Tonio K song is, "The ballad of the night that the clocks all quit (and the government failed).

166 posted on 10/31/2002 4:38:17 PM PST by freebounder
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To: Aric2000
If a pagan wishes to be a Boy Scout and admits that they are pagan, they CANNOT join the boy scouts.

Excuse me?

Have you any experience, or information from National specifically about admission of pagans into Scouting?

And if it turns out, as I suspect, that this is conjecture on your part, could you tell me on what basis you make this conjecture?

167 posted on 10/31/2002 4:46:42 PM PST by RonF
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To: Hunble
Quoting Aric2000:

"If a pagan wishes to be a Boy Scout and admits that they are pagan, they CANNOT join the boy scouts."

Hold on here. I've challenged him to back up this assertion. I think he's wrong.
168 posted on 10/31/2002 4:49:00 PM PST by RonF
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To: RightWhale
Pages 7 and 8 of the 10th edition of the Boy Scout Handbook:

A Scout is FRIENDLY.... He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs different than his own.

A Scout is REVERENT. ...He respects the beliefs of others.

So the word "tolerant" isn't present, but I believe the concept is.

169 posted on 10/31/2002 5:00:22 PM PST by RonF
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To: RonF
Yes, I would assume so. I was a Boy Scout well over 40 years ago, but it's amazing that some things stick with you.
170 posted on 10/31/2002 5:16:36 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Yes, I would assume so. I was a Boy Scout well over 40 years ago, but it's amazing that some things stick with you.

I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout from 1960 to 1972. Got invited to leave my Troop when I came back from college with hair down to my shoulders, and my SM and Committee Chair took me aside and told me I looked like a pimp. Twenty five years later I attended a Troop meeting with my son, stuck my hand up, and recited the Scout Law and the Scout Oath for the first time in a quarter century -- letter perfect.

171 posted on 10/31/2002 5:33:55 PM PST by RonF
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To: freebounder
Totally agree with you on Tonio's best albums. Have you ever heard the two previous - Amerika, and La Bomba? There's some good stuff (not as good, but good) on both, esp. La Bomba.
172 posted on 10/31/2002 9:24:38 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: H8DEMS
Wiccan is a guise for satanic worship. They claim they are 'good witches' and if anyone falls for this you are a swamp land-ocean front property owner.

Any criminal justice college book specifies denominational satanic worship in details of their ploy, actions and dangers, this wiccan garbage mirrors the devil worship garbage.

Let them have satanic scouts...who cares... just don't push their anti-religion hatred and lies of whom they are on everybody.

173 posted on 11/01/2002 1:38:03 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: OPS4
BIG BUMP!!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!


174 posted on 11/01/2002 1:40:11 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Marysecretary
Sadly so true.

May God bless and Protect America.

175 posted on 11/01/2002 1:41:12 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
My thoughts exactly..... they better spiral their way back to hell.
176 posted on 11/01/2002 1:42:25 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Dead Corpse
It is nothing but a huge potpourri of leftist liberal,Hitlery,U.N., communist,evil,vile,-doctrine.
177 posted on 11/01/2002 1:46:42 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TexVet
I know enough of Wiccans via comparison from law enforcement study of denominational satanic sectors. The Wiccan potpourri of garbage mirrors it with a leftist liberal spin of 'feel good' 'we are good witches' load of crap.
178 posted on 11/01/2002 1:51:23 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Beth
Or the Heil hitlery we hate 'the religious right' badges.

Whatever they do they should stick to their leftist issues and leave those that could give a rats patard and the so called 'religious right,' out of it.

Let them have their own club of worship gaia and satan or mother sun the UN symbol, Al Gore, tress, or whatever...why can't they leave Christianity and basic moral common values alone and stop bashing.

180 posted on 11/01/2002 2:12:33 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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