[yonif]

This my column for this week. An organization calling itself the Council for the National Interest, a leftist organization, and an Anti-Israel organization, came over to campus and presented a new documentary "showing" that there was a conspiracy between Lyndon Johnson and the Israeli government to make the USS Liberty incident look like an accident. My college's liberal agenda has gone too far.

[yonif]

Just a correction, it was Tuesday October 29 not 30.

[mgstarr]

Good luck with this post. You're sure to get the attention of the anti-Israel (read Jew) Freepers, so be prepared.

This topic has been discussed here ad nauseaum - just FYI.

Time to call in the reinforcements :-) Pings anyone?

[seeker41]

Yeppers, this has been discussed into the ground and causes nasty flame wars.

[archy]

U.S.S. Liberty website and attack info *here*.

[Lizard_King]

Connecticut College *ping*

Heads up for Paleo-stinian activists!

[gcruse]

Good luck with the article.  I personally believe Israel fired
on the Liberty to thwart communications intellgence gathering.
I also have gotten over it, forgive them, and am a supporter.

[MadJack]

I don't know about any conspiracy between LBJ and the Israeli gov't, but I have no doubt that the Israelis deliberately chose to attack the Liberty in an effort to cover their "land grab" of the Golan Heights from USA signals intelligence. I have listened to American sailors who survived this attack, and will take their word ANY DAY over any Israeli spin meisters.

[archy]

The type of weapon used was napalm, the wrong kind of weapon to use if one wanted to sink the ship...

Thase napalm fires sure make big holes. Right on the waterline, like a torpedo that fails to explode.

[Cicero]

As it happens, I am strongly pro-Israel.

Nevertheless, I believe that the preponderance of the evidence suggests that Israel deliberately attacked "The Liberty."

They did so because Lyndon Johnson lied about where the ship was and because Lyndon Johnson was using the ship to gather information that might have caused the U.S. to undermine Israel's self-defense at a crucial time, when its very existence was at stake. In other words, they did it because they had to, to ensure their own survival.

Sometimes our political leaders send American troops into harm's way for very questionable or immoral purposes. The troops have no choice but to obey orders and go. That was true of clinton's immoral attack on Yugoslavia. I believe it was also true of Lyndon Johnson's plan to use information gathered by the Liberty to undermine Israel's self-defensive war.

The result was tragic. It's hard not to feel divided about this. On the one hand, Israel acted to defend its very existence. On the other hand, they killed American troops unprepared to defend themselves, with whom they were not at war. I blame Lyndon Johnson, who in the end was indeed forced to join Israel in covering up what happened, because it was as potentially damaging to him as it was to Israel.

I'm sorry that left-wing anti-semitic fools are putting this story to such shameful use. But it doesn't help to paper over what actually happened.

[rmlew]

Yoni,
It is great to see a Conservative Jew outspoen at ConnColl!
I was at Conncoll in 1995-96 for Freshman Year. (I helped found the Hillel and was the rep for Student Council.)I see that it is as liberal as ever.

I tried to be active, but it was difficult. The College Republicans was run by a pro-Choice "fiscal moderate" (see RINO) who made it clear that they would only campaign for Bill Weld and that if anyone else were the nominee, she would not vote for him. I was pushed out for being too conservative.

Later I wrote some pro-life articles for the paper. For my efforts someone drew a swastika on my dormroom door. (I guess they noticed the Mezzuzah.)

Do you know professor William Frasure? He was my advisor and one of the few conservatives I know.
I'm sure Professor Brooks has been helpful. Is he still the Hillel advisor? Is he still a peacenik on Israel? (Can you say hi for me?)
I see you have a new president, presumably Jewish. See if you can't get him to make a statement. Is he as liberal as Claire Gaudiani was?

[green team 1999]

well,there we go again,i`m not going to post pictures like before,but you left few inconvenient items out.

1- israeli recon planes came to take a look at the ship uss liberty .(picture available,taken from the ship.)

2-torpedoe boats came over and circle the ship,(us flag clearly seen)(picture of boats available,taken from the ship)

3-after all that recon from the air and water then came the fighter bombers,(not only napalm but cannon fire against the liberty,(us flag clearly seen at the mast)and the torpedoe boats also did attack with torpedoes and machine gun against the ship,( a picture posted by a fellow freeper shows the torpedoe damage at water level.

[Mordoch]

came over to campus and presented a new documentary "showing" that there was a conspiracy between Lyndon Johnson and the Israeli government to make the USS Liberty incident look like an accident.

Uhhhh, it was definately no accident. Outright attack would be more appropriate description.

[Mordoch]

Info on this

[quietolong]

The Japanese government took full responsibility for sinking the Panay but continued to maintain that the attack had been unintentional. The formal apology reached Washington on Christmas Eve. Although Japanese officials maintained that their pilots never saw any American flags on the Panay, a U.S. Navy court of inquiry determined that several U.S. flags were clearly visible on the vessel during the attacks. Four days before the apology reached Washington, the Japanese government admitted that the Japanese army strafed the Panay and its survivors after the navy airplanes had bombed it. The Japanese government paid an indemnity of $2,214,007.36 to the United States on April 22, 1938, officially settling the Panay incident

Sound familiar ?

See it can happen to anybody

On Dec 11 1937 The Japanese made the same error. Opps Sooo sorry

The above excerpt is from "Two Japans": Japanese Expressions of Sympathy and Regret in the Wake of the Panay Incident

On Dec 11 Th. 1937 the Japanese attacked and sank the Gunboat U.S.S. Panay in China on the Yangtze River.And clamed it was mistake.

The Sinking of Panay, 12 December 1937

PR-5 USS Panay

Isn't it something how history repeats self.

[quietolong]

I spent 10 years in the VP Navy ( the designation given to air patrol squadrons ) Flying over ships and ID them. And you all are trying to tell me Israeli pilots are blind and a bunch of Dullards. And there air intelligence people are morons ? That they went duaaa for over an hour as air and sea units attacked. I don’t think so. There some of the best in the business.

The ship was easier to spot that a unmarked cop car sitting looking for speeders.

It’s clean & shinny, has persons with uniforms on and has antennas sticking out all over it. And it was flying a US flag & had US Navy marking on it.

As a TV personality would say.. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

[Non-Sequitur]

OK, so why the attack? You yourself said that the armament on the aircraft was wrong for the mission. So why did they use it? If this was a case of Israel mistaking the Liberty for some Egyptian horse freighter then why the need to napalm all the horsies? Was Israel afraid that the Egyptian cavalry was going to land behind their lines and charge the armored columns?

Your claim makes no sense. No ship, other than the Liberty, could have justified that snap decision to attack. An attack so spur of the moment that it was done with any available resource. Nothing Egypt had afloat could have posed such a threat as to justify such an immediate response. I'm sorry but Israel knews what she was attacking. She had to know, the IDF isn't stupid. I have no idea what Israel was afraid of and I doubt we ever will really know. But stop with the fairy tales.

[jmeadors]

Is it your position that the attack on the USS Liberty should continue to be the only incident of its kind not to be the subject of a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation?

Warmest regards,

Joe

[Demidog]

I concluded that the Council for the National Interest is nothing more than an anti-Israeli organization which also shows tendencies of being anti-Semitic.

Why then do you not quote anything from their site in support of your accusations? All of the quotes are from some other site. What gives?

[Demidog]

As you can see, a biased and anti-Israeli organization presented this video.

Who presented the video is irrelevant. Furthermore your claim that the facts being presented on the websites are "biased" is a matter of opinion. Perhaps you don't like the facts but that doesn't make them "anti-Israel" or biased.

What of the film? Do you have anything other than a logical fallacy (guilt by association) to debunk any of the facts presented in the film? Did you even watch the film?

[VaBthang4]

"There were ten official US investigations (including five congressional investigations) that concluded there was never any evidence that the attack was made with knowledge that the target was a US ship."

ALL LIES SPREAD BY THE J-E-W-S!!!