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Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid
A.P. Via ABCNEWS ^ | 10/26/02 | Staff

Posted on 10/26/2002 8:48:33 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes

Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid
Military Experts, Toxicologists Suspect Valium Gas Used in Russian Troops' Theater Raid

Oct. 26

Military experts and toxicologists say Russian commandos probably pumped a gas containing Valium into a Moscow theater to subtly disable and disorient heavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault.

Russian authorities didn't identify the gas used in the operation, which freed hundreds of hostages but also resulted in the deaths of more than 100 captives and rebels. Officials claimed none of the hostages were killed by the gas.

Several nations, including the United States, have developed a variety of non-lethal incapacitating agents, which can also induce choking, nausea or blurry vision, depending on their recipes.

According to some hostages inside the theater, they realized they were becoming sleepy and confused, but no one reported seeing a vapor cloud, smelling a chemical or experiencing the sort of irritating symptoms associated with tear gas and pepper spray.

Experts said the Russians may have released a gas concentration of a powerful sedative like Valium or may have used a form of BZ gas, a hallucinogenic drug widely researched in the 1960s that works more slowly.

"The thing that pops into my mind is aerosolized Valium," said Dr. Christopher Holstege, medical toxicology director at the University of Virginia. "But there isn't much literature out there on it. There is talk of using it as a riot control agent."

Others said the agent used by the Russians didn't seem to be like anything that has been part of the U.S. arsenal.

"It's no surprise that the Russians have that kind of stuff," said Ron Madrid, a former Marine and an expert on non-lethal weaponry at Pennsylvania State University. "They spent 30 years putting it together. We're prevented from doing that by treaty and executive order."

Russian television reported the gas was dispersed through the theater's ventilation system. Workers were seen digging around sewers and steam pipes near the theater in the first day of the crisis.

One Interfax News Agency employee among the captives in the theater said the rebels appeared ready to kill all the hostages, "then something happened."

"I lost consciousness and woke up in the emergency room," said Olga Chernyak. "It must have been some special gas."

Outside City Hospital No. 13, Galina Dolotova said her 32-year-old daughter, Olga, appeared to have been one of the hostages least affected by the gas, but even at that "she was in terrible shape" when she was brought in.

Holstege said people exposed to aerosolized Valium would feel sleepy and confused. At sufficiently high levels, it could compromise breathing and oxygen supply to vital organs.

"It sedates you, so you would feel hung over," Holstege said "People don't remember events well afterward. If it was administered in a theater full of people with guns and explosives, it might confuse them as to what was going on so they could not shoot."

Experts also mentioned BZ, or 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, as a possibility for the gas used by the Russians.

BZ was a research focus of the U.S. Army during the Cold War at the former Edgewood Area labs near Washington. It belongs to a class of drugs known as anticholinergics that interrupt the brain's chemical messaging system between cells, leading to confusion and hallucinations. It needs an hour to take effect, so authorities would've had to release it into the theater long before the actual assault.

BZ also produces a tendency to fall asleep, and government reports show that soldiers in its U.S. development program nicknamed it the "sleeping agent." The delirium it induces can last two or three days.

"The Russians could've used BZ in the theater, but perhaps in higher concentrations," Holstege said.

A recent U.S. Air Force paper on nonlethal weapons said "calmative" agents reportedly were used by Soviet troops against Afghan guerrillas during their 1980-89 war.

The American and British militaries have discussed developing calmative weapons that would incapacitate or repel people. The effort intensified in the 1990s after hostile mobs confronted U.S. troops during peacekeeping and humanitarian missions in places like Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti.

In 2000, researchers at a Pentagon-funded institute at Penn State prepared a 50-page report that said developing calmative weapons "is achievable and desirable" and suggested drugs like Valium for further research.

However, it is unclear whether such weapons would violate the convention banning the use of chemical weapons, officials said.


photo credit and caption:

Special forces officers enter the theater, where hundreds of hostages were being held by Chechen rebels, Moscow, early Saturday, Oct. 26, 2002, while unidentified people leave the building. Special forces troops took control of a Moscow theater before sunrise Saturday where hundreds of hostages were being held by Chechen rebels, killing their leader and freeing all their captives. (AP Photo/Dmitry Lovetsky)



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: chechens; chechnya; gas; moscow; raid; terrorists; theatresiege; valium; wacohorror
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Experts said the Russians may have released a gas concentration of a powerful sedative like Valium

I doubt it was something like Valium.......so many other agents could have been used that would have been much faster.

21 posted on 10/27/2002 12:50:41 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: cpdiii
The pics I saw on another thread were interesting because it looked like some of the terrorists were overcome on the spot. Or at least overcome before they realized what was happening. But obviously, at least one of them did realize. That's too bad: It was almost a perfect operation.

Did you see the claims that the perps were shot dead even though they were already unconscious from the gas? I kind of like that: No fooling around . . . Just rid yourself of the cockroaches.

22 posted on 10/27/2002 12:51:35 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: cpdiii
The Russian Special Ops forces deserve our congratulations.

Congratulations extended.

23 posted on 10/27/2002 12:52:06 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: templar
"Of course, if it was something else, I suppose we will discover what it was on some battlefield someday."

Why would they bother using this on a battlefield when they have perfectly good chemical agents that will kill people instead of putting them to sleep?

24 posted on 10/27/2002 1:08:39 AM PDT by monday
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To: SicTransitGloriaMundi
"Yes, I'm sure everyone would have thought it was perfectly acceptable if the Clinton/Reno FBI had used chemical weapons that are illegal for military use against unarmed babies. "

Are you saying that tear gas was an acceptable chemical weapon to use against unarmed babies?

25 posted on 10/27/2002 1:16:02 AM PDT by monday
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To: cpdiii
Yup... I think it's hard to OD on Valium... that is unless you have a few drinks in you... a lethal combination those Valium Cocktails.
26 posted on 10/27/2002 1:21:42 AM PST by Bobalu
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To: cpdiii
I suspect no one died from the gas.

According to another article I read, the terrorists were "liquidated". I am assuming this was after the theater was stormed, and as you said, not a result of the introduced gas.

27 posted on 10/27/2002 1:37:42 AM PST by Aracelis
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To: Looking for Diogenes
They should have done something similar to what happend to Cheech and Chong at the end of "Up In Smoke".
29 posted on 10/27/2002 6:13:30 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: monday
Why would they bother using this on a battlefield when they have perfectly good chemical agents that will kill people instead of putting them to sleep?

I'm not cetain, but I think this would be legal under Geneva rules. Like tear gas (CS/CN)was used by us in Viet Nam. Poison gasses would be illegal.

30 posted on 10/27/2002 6:14:51 AM PST by templar
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To: cryptical
The one good thing you can say about countries other than the US is the lack of lawyers.

I hadn't thought about that. I wonder if lawsuits by citizens are even allowed in Russia.

31 posted on 10/27/2002 6:19:42 AM PST by templar
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To: Looking for Diogenes
I guess oxygen tanks will become standard for well-equipped invasion kidnappers.

Or dead man switches on the bombs.

32 posted on 10/27/2002 6:21:13 AM PST by templar
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To: pepsionice
The question is how long is valium gas effective?

Pretty well, I'd say. It worked in the '92 AND '96 presidential elections...

33 posted on 10/27/2002 6:22:20 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: templar
Let's hope criminals and terrorists aren't very smart.
34 posted on 10/27/2002 6:32:46 AM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: SicTransitGloriaMundi
Yeah, right, much better to kill them.
35 posted on 10/27/2002 6:40:41 AM PST by muggs
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To: Looking for Diogenes
More "experts". Well, I'll wait and see on this one.
36 posted on 10/27/2002 6:42:05 AM PST by krb
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To: cpdiii
The ld 50 of Valium and other benzodiazepines is so high that it is basically impossible to kill yourself with an oral overdose.

Patients in hospitals with severe pain like with cancer and burns receive continuous infusion iv Versed for days and will wake up days later when the dose is cancelled.

If a benzodiapine gas was used, it would probably be Versed due to its faster and more potent action than Valium. The spec ops troops could be injected with Romazicon, flumazenil, the potent benzodiazepine antagonist/reversal agent before storming the theatre. They would be unaffected if the gas was a benzodiazepine.

Any druggie who dosed themself with a narcotic before the gas attack could be at risk.
37 posted on 10/27/2002 7:20:28 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: cryptical
From seeing pictures if the 9/11 victim's families who are pressing for an immediate investigation into why the attacks were not prevented, I was reminded of vultures waiting for something to die. It is sickening.
38 posted on 10/27/2002 1:29:56 PM PST by gcruse
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To: templar
Or dead man switches on the bombs

Yipes. I'm surprised they didn't use such a tactic. I guess we need to come up with a gas that makes people tense up but still incapacitates them mentally.

Nag gas...

39 posted on 10/27/2002 1:44:19 PM PST by piasa
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Russian authorities didn't identify the gas used in the operation, which freed hundreds of hostages but also resulted in the deaths of more than 100 captives and rebels. Officials claimed none of the hostages were killed by the gas.

OK, so on what evidence are they saying the gas was the cause of the death of 100 hostages? Have the journalists participated in any autopsies to see if the injuries were from gas or from the terrorists' weapons? By most accounts the terrorists had already started killing hostages.

Of course, it wouldn't matter to me. I'd prefer to take my chances with the gas rather than endure being kept captive by a bunch of lunatics.

40 posted on 10/27/2002 1:50:15 PM PST by piasa
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