Posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by forest
Ok, help me out here. Which way are you voting, for the liberal who stands firmly in the middle of the gun control group? Or Dole whos past has been wishy washy but seems to be more straight now for gun rights now? Or some third party, who I have not even seen listed (I am not from that state, so I don't know the options)? Two of the choises seem a complete waste to me, but I am all ears on your choises if you care to elaborate. Thanks
LowOiL
So unless I vote straight party line I'm wasting my vote for the conservative movement, is that it? LOL!! You guys bowl me over, you really do. Elizabeth Dole in her debates, which was just two weeks ago, stated that Hillarycare in '93 didn't go far enough, fastrack legislation is a good idea, and we need apparently higher tariffs. Now apparently you are willing to accept the fact that she can 'change' her mind on gun control in a scant two years(which she can't), am I supposed to accept that the three things listed above are in any way of the conservative platform?
Look, this is the South, one of the last bastions of true conservatives left in this misguided union of ours. While I admit demographics have changed quite a bit in the past 20 years with the influx of foreigners(i.e. yankees), they're supposed to assimilate to us and not expect us to assimilate to them. But yet, the RNC sees fit to foist liberal Republicans that would pass as conservatives up north on us here and when someone like myself disagrees with that, I'm called every name in the book. There are many North Carolinians I know, family and friends, that are not going to vote on the 5th because they can't see the difference between the two candidates!! It's not two sides of a paper, because they basically both believe the same thing. One just has an R and the other a D beside their name. I myself will not vote for Bowles and until the debates had actually considered holding my nose and voting for Dole. Now? I just don't know
Well the full blown liberals does fit your position better. If the shoe fits, you must aquit.
Again I wonder why the L position thinks their leaving the Republicans will cause the party to swing more Right. Lets see, with the L's leaving that means the moral side of the issues will not have to be as strigently adhered to. Thus the last bastion they (republicans) have to play to will be the Christian majority. Thus that becomes the R's edge conservatively, not the LP positions. Thus it makes it more of a player for the left center. Thus pushing the liberals more left and taking more of the center (thus more left itself). So leaveing the R's will have the exact opposite result you wish. You are no longer a viable vote to play to. You lose, I lose, the conservative cause loses. To win you have to be a player, if you vote is not longer in the twist, you lose any and all pull whatsoever. Real Bright IMHO.
I feel for you man, I know where you are coming from. People don't understand how important the primaries are. Just voting the person with the most face recoginiton is sad. But that is the bubblegum world we live in unfortunately. If everyone would actually do 1/10th the research we do here on FR they would be more informed. We would have better canidates, money would not be a concern in the election because people would not be swayed by 15 second negative ads that don't give a true perspective of an canidate. People would already know where the canidate stands on the issues.
But, society is by most definitions dumb (I hate saying that) when it comes to real issues. I do think you really care and it is tearing you apart. Of course the only canidate that fully supports every idea you want is you, you will have to give some no matter who is running. The only alternative is to run yourself and then you either play the game (because of the pop-corn mentality of voters these days) and not come out too sided on issues or stick to your guns and hope that the people you disagree with on some of your positions have enought sense to understand that you are more like them than the other bland canidate. They say not to be devisive on any one issue (it splits the voters) if you want to win, but it produces a environment of nothingness. That is too bad IMHO.
I wish you luck Mr. BillBears. I hope you find a vote that does not dishearten you too bad and better luck next time on your canidate field in NC next time.
I am not. There was no Libertarian until after his wage and price controls! It was a point to show I was a Republican a long time ago and it was Nixon types that have continued to drive me away.
Bush is far more liberal than Nixon
Voting isn't about winning a race but about expressing support for political ideas. Would you vote no in Iraq to retain Saddam? You like to think you would but you wouldn't if you stuck with what you call logic. Your vote would be "out of the twist" as you say. Think about it one more time and you might figure it out.
On one level I see where you are coming from. On another level I must just shake my head. The vote is all you have, period (unless you run for the office). Thus some people out of frustration feel their vote is disposible (I'll show you mentality). If that was my train of thought, I would of just gave up after the primaries because my canidate lost. The very person I felt best represented myself is gone, now what do I do?, I minimise my loses of views by voting the next best person that can win. I guess strict LPers don't really have that problem with the primaries, usually there is only one person running on that ticket (thus very limited selection and you end up with members that spit on people and/or have 17 run ins with the law including firing a gun in a public place while intoxicated). I do believe in some cases, voting is not about winning a race, it is about expressing disappointment in their own shortcomings with the general public . Vote how you want. Will I laugh when you can't figure out why the Republicans don't come begging for your vote back, and the party moves futher left?..Nope.. in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed is king..
Perhaps the LP party should adopt the Soreloserman slogan.
That's a statement I can't agree with. In which ways do you think so?
Uh, what do you think we've had since Republicans took control of both Houses of Congress in 1995? Is the federal government smaller? Any gun control repealed? Any regulations repealed? Any taxes repealed? Any agencies or departments closed? It makes no difference which of the two halves of the Incumbent party control Congress. Government keeps getting bigger.
The Libertarian party is running enough candidates to contest a majority of seats in the House. I'll be voting a straight Libertarian ticket this year. If there's no Libertarian running in any particular race I won't be voting in that race. Americans have two choices this year: 1) vote Libertarian and reduce government or 2) vote socialist and watch government get bigger.
If Ron Paul was my Congressman I'd vote for him even though he's a Republican.
The Libertarian party is running enough candidates to contest a majority of seats in the House. I'll be voting a straight Libertarian ticket this year. If there's no Libertarian running in any particular race I won't be voting in that race. Americans have two choices this year: 1) vote Libertarian and reduce government or 2) vote socialist and watch government get bigger.
If Ron Paul was my Congressman I'd vote for him even though he's a Republican.
You didn't answer my question. I'm asking you if you wish for the Dems to take the House and Senate on Nov. 5. Yes or no, please.
Your question was not only loaded but it implied bifurcation. In fact, another choice exists and that choice is to stop supporting candidates who are making government bigger.
I'm asking you if you wish for the Dems to take the House and Senate on Nov. 5. Yes or no, please.
I don't want Republicans or Democrats to take Congress (or any public office). Eventually enough people will get sick of big government and will stop supporting them.
So if roles were reversed, and the Republican would have no chance to win against the Libertarian, you would do the very thing you oppose on this thread, and vote for a Democrat.
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