[edwin hubble]

I have a sense that my grandchildren will never see the Milky Way in their lifetimes.

And the maddening excess of lighting is a matter of ethics, aesthetics, and plain common sense energy engineering.

A month ago on the dark of the moon I saw 5th-6th magnitude stars right to the horizon...within 45 minutes of my house...(a night to remember).

[RightWhale]

5th-6th magnitude stars right to the horizon

Usually on a good night we can see most of the stars of the Little Dipper. I think that is about 3rd magnitude, the limit. Usually anymore there are about 12-20 stars visible.