[gridlock]

What bothers me about this is that the group is a bunch of astronomers who really care about being able to see the stars without interference from human generated light. But instead of saying that they want to be able to see the stars better, they talk about other things:

-- the glare and energy waste associated with poor-quality lighting
-- the effects of light at night on humans and wildlife
-- community and commercial efforts to improve lighting practices

While these may be reasonable issues for public discussion, that is not what this group is interested in. They realize that the public doesn't really care whether or not they can see the sky, so they cloak their crusade in a lot of ersatz environmentalism and energy conservation.

I just don't like liars, I guess.

[RightWhale]

They state that astronomy sucks these days due to lighting glare and most people can't get away from it. These other issues have come along, and they are valid issues in themselves. The primary goal is to return our night sky, no lie.