FNC reports sources say they are "positive" they have sniper

FNC ^ | 10/24/02 | self

[PianoMan]

Shep Smith just reported sources say they are "positive" they have the sniper. Please delete this if this is redundant. It didn't look like it was. Thanks!

[Mitchell]

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This idea is given a little more credence by the fact that the Five Percenters (the "Nation of Gods and Earths"), which Muhammad seems to be associated with, use acronym word-play of this sort.

See the Nation of Gods and Earths web page for examples. One of their major statements of belief (click on the "What We Teach" link on the page above) is:

"7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.

In addition, they seem to use acronyms like this in other contexts. Halfway down their (very long) main page, you'll see an ad for a book of poetry entitled:

"E.ternally A.llah R.ules T.hru H.er"

(edited by Queen Ebonie Earth and Earth Mecca Islam).

[I think this sect calls men "Gods" and women "Earths". Thus, "Call me God."]

[Mitchell]

There are more examples. They have their own religious names for various places, which again work by first initials. For example:

• Love Allah is Los Angeles (and also Louisiana = LA)
• Allah's Garden is Atlanta, Georgia
• Saviour, God Allah is Savannah, GA
• Self Born is South Bend
• Gods Saviour is Grambling State University
• Born Mecca is Baltimore, Maryland
• Power Kingdom is Poughkeepsie
• Power Allah is Pennsylvania = PA
• Power Born is Pittsburg

A few of the names have a different origin: Mecca for Harlem, Medina for Brooklyn, Morocco for Seattle, Cream City for Milwaukee. Also, New Heaven for New Haven, a different kind of word play.

To see these in context, click on Allah's Atlas on the page I linked to in my previous post.

[Mitchell]

On yet another Five Percenter page, this one about TIME (Truth I Master Equally) and ISLAM (I Stimulate Life And Matter), I found the following, which I post out of sheer amazement, a computation of how fast they compute that God must be traveling, based on special relativity(!):

What is the Rate at which Time is Experience?

Well the faster you are travelling, the Least amount of Time you experience. This is made manifest in the relationship of Special Relativity

t' = (1 - v^2/c^2)^(1/2) t

Where t' is the amount of time you experience, v is the magnitude of the velocity you are travelling, c is the magnitude of the velocity of light, and t is the amount of time you would experience if you where stationary. For instance, when they talk about "A thousands years is but a day to the Lord?" then how fast was the Lord travelling in order for this to occur. A Thousand years is 365,000 days. Setting t = 365,000 days, t' = 1 day, c = 186,000 miles per second, we can calculate the magnitude of the velocity that the Lord was travelling. It turns out that 186,000 miles per second - 0.044 inches per second = the magnitude that the Lord was travelling in order for his Day to be equivalent to 1000 years in the stationary World. Thats 185,999.9999993 miles per second approximately.

[Nogbad]

Oh my! Do you mean I have to study up on yet another sect?

[Mitchell]

LOL! I have no idea, I never heard of them before this.

[Nogbad]

I was being ironic, of course.
Actually all this is rather fascinating.
Throughout history, Islam has been prolific
in its production of subcults and subsects.
I am certain Bin Laden's group is involved
in a lot of numerology, cosmology, etc.,
and I suspect Atta, also,
regarded himself as a kind of death cult leader.

Louis Farrakhan is fascinated by the number 19
for reasons I never have understood.

[Alamo-Girl]

Great catch! Thanks for the analysis!

[Mitchell]

Throughout history, Islam has been prolific in its production of subcults and subsects.

And also these groups like the Nation of Islam and the Five Percenters, who I don't think are even regarded as Islamic sects, but more like offshoots of Islam. (The Five Percenters have a whole page on why they are not Muslims.)

I'd forgotten about the 19 thing of Farrakhan's. The Five Percenters like the numbers 5 and 7, I think.

[Nogbad]

And also these groups like the Nation of Islam and the Five Percenters,
who I don't think are even regarded as Islamic sects.

I know that, and that is exactly what I had in mind.
There are countless sects in the Middle-East and East
which broke off from official Sunni or Shi-ite Islam
and no longer consider themselves, or are considered Moslems.

For example, the Assad family of Syria is not Moslem,
it is Alawi, which is a very small sect in his country.
There also are the Ismailis (the Aga Khan)
(in India but scattered through many other countries),
the Bahais in Iran
(most of whom have fled since the time of Khomeini),
and in Turkey there are many million Alevis
an originally Shiite sect
who practice a form of Islam
but do not attend the mosque
and who have been severely persecuted by the Moslems
(there have been terrible riots in Istanbul
where dozens of people were killed).

The Alevis are especially interesting,
since they have produced several great poets,
and even today, in Turkey,
there are many great Alevi singers and musicians

[Mitchell]

Thanks for posting this; it's very interesting.

I didn't know about the Assad family belonging to the Alawi sect, rather than Islam itself. How does this affect Syria's position with respect to Dar al-Islam and calls for Islamic unity, and the like?

I also didn't know about the Alevi sect in Turkey. You mentioned the Alevi singers, musicians, and poets. Do Alevi generally place great emphasis on the arts?

[Nogbad]

I didn't know about the Assad family belonging to the Alawi sect,
rather than Islam itself.
How does this affect Syria's position with respect to Dar al-Islam
and calls for Islamic unity, and the like?

It is amazing how Hafez al-Assad
managed to take over Syria.
He comes from a region near Latakia
where most of the Alawi are located.
I guess that he got into the military
and built up a power base there
from which he was able to obtain political power.

The whole brutal action in Hama
in 1982
in which 10,000 or more died
was a repression
of the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood
which deeply resented his authority.

Obviously the Assads do not support Islamic fundamentalism,
for that exactly is what the Muslim Brotherhood represents.

However,
I suppose his strong support for Palestinian terrorists
is a way of gaining favour amongst the orthodox Moslems.


I also didn't know about the Alevi sect in Turkey.
You mentioned the Alevi singers, musicians, and poets.
Do Alevi generally place great emphasis on the arts?

I suspect they represent the ancient folk tradition
that dates back even to the pre-Islamic Turks.

The Alevi come from regions of Eastern
and Northern Turkey
which were inhabited by Turkish tribes
that arrived late in Turkish history
after the foundation
of the early Selcuk empire.

It is interesting
that there are many Kurdish Alevi
(the culture of the Middle East
is MUCH more complicated
than most people realize).

These Kurdish Alevi,
thus,
are twice alienated
in mainstream Turkish society.

[Mitchell]

Fascinating. I had no idea how important these offshoots of Islam (if that's a correct description of them) are.

[okie01]

One can learn so much by just hanging around this place.

Thanks for the insights.

[billhilly]

Then what is the speed of dark? Does this refute Newton's third law?

[Mitchell]

I wrote: Power Born is Pittsburg

I meant Pittsburgh, of course.