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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Why so much anger toward the Russians?

1)Russians are not "commies" any more.

2)In the battle against terrorism they were on "our" side before we were (9/11)

3)The Russians were the first to express outrage and condolences on 9/11. There was no celebration in the streets of Moscow, only sadness at our loss.

4)The Russians would really like to get paid the 8 billion dollars that Saddam still owes them, so they are a little hesitant to approve of the US ousting him.

Why address them as "lying bastards"? Is this a cold war artifact, or have you had a bad personal experience with a Russian?
786 posted on 10/23/2002 3:42:18 PM PDT by e_engineer
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To: e_engineer
I'm with you. Russia could and should be one of our biggest allies in the new war on terror.
825 posted on 10/23/2002 3:59:27 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: e_engineer
Why so much anger toward the Russians?

Well, personally I'm pretty pissed at them for ruining the Twentieth Century, and the lives of everyone who had to live through it. Some reckoning to be done there.

But, be that as it may, we have to get on with our lives now and face the "new" threat, which is really a 1400 year-old threat: islam -- which for its sheer, malevolent, destructive potential, makes the highly-evolved Russian knack for the same look amateurish.

827 posted on 10/23/2002 4:00:39 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: e_engineer
"Why so much anger toward the Russians?"

1)Russians are not "commies" any more.


Hmmmm, who is in charge of every aspect of the government under Putin now??? Uh, ex-Communist party and Politburo strongmen with a lot of KGB experience. Political dissent has been silenced. Freedom of the press retricted. You can have a communist dictatorship and a capitalist economic system (China comes to mind). This is the road Russia is on. And there is a strong move within Russia to reform the old Soviet Union but with a capitalist system. Weird? Yes. But we can all honestly say we've almost all seen it all now.

" 3)The Russians were the first to express outrage and condolences on 9/11. There was no celebration in the streets of Moscow, only sadness at our loss. "

No disputing that. But now, when the wars that have to be fought to eliminate the homes of the terrorists (Syria, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, etc.) the Russian government refuses to support us. Gee, a double standard perhaps? Or just plain old fashioned greed?

"4)The Russians would really like to get paid the 8 billion dollars that Saddam still owes them, so they are a little hesitant to approve of the US ousting him. "

And you don't think we could write a check for $8 billion tommorrow with some of our Federal Reserve funny money notes? There's more to it than that. Russian weapon sales were hurt severely when we made them look like they were 20 years behind the times in 91. They can not afford to have another series of bad showings.

" Why address them as "lying bastards"? Is this a cold war artifact, or have you had a bad personal experience with a Russian?"

Why address them as such....hmmm. Simple. Never trust them. They never in 600 years of recent Western history been a good ally.

Bad personal experience? No, but then again, I never got to fire on their troops. Just take some advice; do not trust the Russians or Chinese or especially any Middle Eastern country in this war.
973 posted on 10/23/2002 6:59:54 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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