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Is that a coherent sentence? Anyway, as I said earlier, we seem to be going nowhere with this debate, so let's drop it. If you're trying to convert/convince me, quit while you're ahead, because you "lost" me a long time ago. I'm not blinding following the Catholic Church. To tell you the truth, blindly following anything is not what I do. I found my faith several years ago, and while I inherited the roots of my faith from my parents, I have used my faith in God, my life-long learning process, and my reason to come to where I am today. As a result, my Catholic Christian faith is stronger than what it was before. So don't presume to tell me what I am or am not doing, for to do that just displays pure arrogance.

So don't presume to tell me what I am or am not doing, for to do that just displays pure arrogance.

Wow. The modern Druids used the same line almost word for word! Coincedence?
So why argue with those who feel mary was just a vessel? Do they not have the right to see her as just a uterous doing the labor for God? I've seen no proof she's anything but a vessel. This whole post has nothing to prove otherwise. She was just hanging out after Jesuses birth. A follower like everyone else. That's all the Bible says about her.
I still have no idea where you folks come up with all this stuff.