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To: Iron Eagle
Governments neither create nor can they destroy rights.

I see that you are convinced otherwise, so I bid you farewell. I'll not bother you again with the notion of natural rights.

May your chains rest lightly...

183 posted on 10/16/2002 6:22:37 AM PDT by Triple
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To: Triple
I am with you on natural rights. Being born with certain natural rights is obvious tome. Its as obvious as saying that somethings are right and wrong through time, and are not subject to moral relevatism.

The problem is, that merely being born with and being entitled to certain rights, doesn't grant those rights. Governments, through the people hopefully, insure those rights. A civil government by the people is ballest that keeps the ship of liberty afloat. Otherwise, we would sink into the dual oceans of Tryrany and anarchy.

So you are born with natural rights. Me too. So are Iraqi children, Saudi children, and others. Whether one actually gets to enjoy those rights is determine by one's ability to exercise one's rights. Governments, hopefully liek our democratic repulic, are the tools of free preople to ensure and protect those rights. (Of course government intrusion limits some rights. Call that the tax for enforcement) Obviously, the balance between government intrusion and personal liberty is a constant struggle, even in our democractic republic.

The problem is, no one has provided me with a thougtful, coherent plan as to how one can enjoy freedoms and libety, with out some civil government. In the absence of a governing system, natural rights become theoretical rights. And as many in the world can attest, theoretical rights ain't worth squat.

189 posted on 10/16/2002 7:35:15 AM PDT by Iron Eagle
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