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$24 million retirement home for chimpanzees shows need for separation of science and state...
Libertarian Party web site ^ | October 10, 2002

Posted on 10/12/2002 6:29:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

$24 million retirement home for chimpanzees shows need for separation of science and state, Libertarians say

WASHINGTON< DC -- A plan by the National Institutes of Health to spend $24 million on a retirement facility for chimpanzees shows why America needs a separation of science and state, Libertarians say.

“This Club Med for monkeys illustrates how easy it is for government bureaucrats to go bananas with other people’s money,” said Libertarian Party Communications Director George Getz. “Amazingly, these chimps will get better treatment in their golden years than the chump taxpayer.”

In an effort to house 800 chimpanzees that have been “retired” after being used in medical experiments, the National Institutes of Health has created Chimp Haven, an animal sanctuary in Louisiana.

The total cost to taxpayers: $24 million over 10 years, or $30,000 per chimpanzee.

Organizers say the 200-acre, forested facility – complete with fences and moats that encircle grassy areas – is designed to provide a “stimulating and responsive environment essential for chimpanzee development and rehabilitation.”

But Libertarians say the plan proves that even relatively non-controversial programs such as medical research need to be taken out of the hands of government.

“Who would have imagined that an agency created to find cures for cancer, AIDS and other debilitating diseases would end up building a $24 million monkey house?” Getz asked. “Any private research organization that pulled a stunt like this could be punished immediately by donors. But it’s a lot harder to withhold funding for a government program, because the ‘donors’ are taxpayers who don’t have a choice.”

The solution is to separate science and state, and let individual Americans decide which projects are worthy of funding, Libertarians say.

“With private donors in charge, perhaps the monkeys used in experiments would be given to a zoo, purchased by a private animal sanctuary or even adopted by an animal-rights organization,” Getz said. “And if donors wanted to build a Taj Mahal for monkeys, they could do it with their money, not yours.”

Unfortunately, the government’s impulse to monkey around with tax money isn’t limited to studying primates, Libertarians point out. For example, over the past two years the federal government has spent:

* $750,000 for grasshopper research in Alaska.

* $2 million to house a worm collection at the Smithsonian museum in Washington, DC.

* $400,000 to study manure management at the National Swine Research Center in Iowa.

* $4.2 million for a shrimp aquiculture research project in six states.

* $400,000 for the Montana Sheep Institute.

And here’s a suggestion for taxpayers who are going ape over ponying up millions of dollars for a monkey retirement center, said Getz:

“Let’s retire the politicians who signed off on the NIH’s $27 billion budget. Lock them away in Chimp Haven, where they’ll be unable to continue their gorilla war against the taxpayer.”


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: monkeybusiness; nih; yourmoney
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We are playing in the monkey bars
Sittin' by the streets just countin' the cars
We are running from place to place
We're running around, like we're in a rat race

Monkey bars, swingin' stars
Countin' the cars, by the monkey bars

We've got a job in the Amazon
Everyone's a jungle, out to con
We drive for miles and see lots of trees
We get home in time to pay our managers fees

Monkey bars, swingin' stars
Countin' the cars, by the monkey bars

Eatin's easy when you're chimps like us
Banana splits are a definite plus
Things'll be better when we climb our way out
Our hands may slip, but not cause of doubt

Monkey bars, swingin' stars
Countin' the cars, by the monkey bars

Monkey bars, swingin' stars
Settin' up those pars by the monkey bars

1982, Coney Hatch

1 posted on 10/12/2002 6:29:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: mhking
This defeinitely needs a hold muh beer ping, even though it's about government!

"Hold muh beer an' watch me spend!"

2 posted on 10/12/2002 6:31:20 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: kristinn; Angelwood; bmwcyle; BufordP; ironman; tgslTakoma; dixie sass; Jimmy Valentine; ...
D.C. Chapter Ping!
3 posted on 10/12/2002 6:36:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

4 posted on 10/12/2002 6:40:14 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This is the sort of mush-headed lunacy you get when too many people are voting.
5 posted on 10/12/2002 6:42:58 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Thinkin' Gal
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sittin' on the street
Just countin' the bucks...

6 posted on 10/12/2002 6:43:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: DWSUWF
It's also possible we simple got too many monkey-boys monkeyin' with our money!
7 posted on 10/12/2002 6:44:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: DWSUWF
Simple = Simply

Arrrrrrrrgh!

8 posted on 10/12/2002 6:45:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: vikingchick
LMAO! Zing fer ya!
9 posted on 10/12/2002 6:46:45 PM PDT by BossLady
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"...It's also possible we simple got too many monkey-boys monkeyin' with our money!..."

LOL!

One leads inevitably to the other, I'm afraid.

10 posted on 10/12/2002 6:46:55 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
Okay if one can adopt retired greyhounds why not retired chimps???
11 posted on 10/12/2002 6:49:47 PM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well, who signed off on it?
12 posted on 10/12/2002 6:51:01 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: BossLady
Organizers say the 200-acre, forested facility – complete with fences and moats that encircle grassy areas – is designed to provide a “stimulating and responsive environment essential for chimpanzee development and rehabilitation.”

You know, I've always secretly wanted a moat of my own. Why do these chimps get one while I go without?

13 posted on 10/12/2002 6:58:55 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: Mfkmmof4
"...Okay if one can adopt retired greyhounds why not retired chimps???..."

Well...

A retired Greyhound has at least some (admittedly limited) potential to be a pet.

Dogs are like that.

A retired chimp, OTOH, is like as not to rip you a poop shute.

Chimps are like that.

14 posted on 10/12/2002 7:14:57 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
* $750,000 for grasshopper research in Alaska.
* $2 million to house a worm collection at the Smithsonian museum in Washington, DC.
* $400,000 to study manure management at the National Swine Research Center in Iowa.
* $4.2 million for a shrimp aquiculture research project in six states.
* $400,000 for the Montana Sheep Institute.

So what's wrong with any of that? Somehow just mentioning these items is supposed to indicate that these expendirtues are unjustifable.

Why is that liberatarians come accross as rather uneducated?

15 posted on 10/12/2002 7:19:06 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
National Institutes of Health a N.G.O of the U.N
16 posted on 10/12/2002 7:45:30 PM PDT by USA21
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
science can be make up
17 posted on 10/12/2002 7:46:26 PM PDT by USA21
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To: TopQuark
Why is that liberatarians come accross as rather uneducated?

Do you feel rather uneducated? Do you wish that maybe you'd kept your thoughts to yourself?

Don't you think that $30,000 a chimp makes us all look like chumps.

18 posted on 10/12/2002 8:20:01 PM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I could go ape over this.
19 posted on 10/12/2002 8:22:27 PM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Hildy
Who signed off on it? I believe it was the U.S. Congress, with the bill sponsored by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich. IIRC, these chimps were used in AIDS research aimed at studying the HIV virus and developing a vaccine. The chimps were injected with the virus - or what is supposed to be the virus - in many different experiments over more than 10 years. None of them ever developed AIDS, and the researchers gave up hope that the research would ever pan out. Because it is expensive and complicated to keep chimps for research (or anything else) and it was considered that the simians had already done more than their share, the researchers looked to Congress for help. Newt and some others were looking to soften their meanie image (or he may really have a soft spot for chimps, who knows) and so the retirement home for AIDS research chimps came into being.

Harsh to believe? Allow me to excerpt from http://www.nexusmagazine.com/HIVnotAIDS1.html:

... as Duesberg points out: "During the past decade, more than four hundred thousand AIDS patients have been treated and investigated by a system of five million medical workers and AIDS researchers, none of whom [has] been vaccinated against HIV... But ten years later there is not even one case in the scientific literature of a health worker who ever contracted presumably infectious AIDS from a patient... AIDS is not infectious." Similarly, "nine years after the NIH first started infecting chimpanzees with HIV - over 150 so far at a cost of $40,000 - 50,000 apiece", all "are still healthy".

... on 5 May 1998, two US Republicans said they were exploring ways to give a comfortable retirement to 1,500 chimpanzees that were bred for AIDS research. Accompanied by primate expert Jane Goodall, House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Rep. Jim Greenwood (R-Penn.) said they were working on a bill to set up sanctuaries for the chimps. The chimps, bred in the United States specifically for AIDS research, did not turn out to be the effective models that scientists had anticipated. With no research use, the primates that are man's closest cousins are languishing in cages at an annual cost of US$7.3 million.

Strange tales of politics. Much too bizarre to make up.

20 posted on 10/12/2002 11:21:04 PM PDT by TheMole
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