Posted on 10/08/2002 11:51:51 PM PDT by pistola
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I gave you timeline of the shemites! Now Jacob/Israel tribes came afterwards, are you trying to be cute?
LT why would ask such a silly question? My point is that Jews were sea merchants too, as well as others.
To say Jews never had boats is ridiculous, now Phoenicians might have been master of the seas, but it is a stretch to think others had no ships.
Not at all. Your answers continued to be so evasive I thought you were being the cutsey one. Isn't it easy to say NO when your answer is simply NO? Sure does simplify communication. {ggg}.
Of course it is a stretch, and I never inferred otherwise, did I.
But what complicates the vagueness of your prior answers just a tiny bit is that many historians think there were no viable Phoenicians left by the time a small number of Southern Kingdom Israelites began to be called Jews (~500 BC). The Phoenicians reached the peak of their culture around l,000 BC, the same time David's Kingdom of Israel reached it's short zenith.
Of course there were no Jews during Davids time, only Israelites, and they had not yet even split into Northern and Southern Kingdoms.
Commone sence would tell one if Noah was told by God how build an ark/boat why wouldn't a descendant also have that knowledge in their scriptures!
If Noah lived around the Black Sea, it would seem to me that boat/ship building would be commom knowledge.
Noah may have been a Tocharian or at least related, a proto-Celt, if you will.
And, another thing. If we consider that through-out history (and even in to today) 'bad' things have been called black, Black Monday, Black Plague and etc. Was there a point when the Black Sea was 'bad'? Could it have been at the height of the Ice Age when little or no water was flowing into it, and went stagnant and became the sea of death, Black Sea? (I know that the Black Sea had a name change, I just don't know when.)
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This thread is about HEBREWS!
BTW Israelites are Hebrew!
So far the scriptures seem silent on many instructions in how to do things. We do have for a couple of things like building Temples and an Ark.
SHIP, SHIPPING
The Hebrews were at no period a seafaring people, and usually regarded the sea with vague terror (Prov. 23: 34). Though some parts of the seacoast of Palestine were at one time or another inhabited by Israelites (Gen. 49: 13; Judg. 5: 17), shipping on a large scale was almost exclusively in the hands of the Phoenicians. Hence Solomon required the help of Tyrians when he built his navy at the northeastern extremity of he Red Sea, near Elath, for the purpose of carrying on trade with southern Arabia (1 Kgs. 9: 26-28). In later times attempts were made to renew this very profitable traffic (1 Kgs. 22: 48; 2 Kgs. 14: 22), until the Syrians took final possession of Elath in the days of King Ahaz (2 Kgs. 16: 6). Large vessels were called by the Hebrews “ships of Tarshish” (Isa. 2: 16), i.e., ships like those used by the Phoenicians for long voyages, Tarshish (= Tartessus in the southwest of Spain) being the extreme limit of Israelite geography (Jonah 1: 3). Our knowledge of what the earliest Phoenician ships were like is derived from Assyrian pictures of about 800 B.C. One painting represents a war galley, with upper and lower tiers of oarsmen, with mast, yard, and fore and back stays, and with double steering paddle. Some vessels were provided with three tiers of rowers. The Romans, who learned their shipbuilding from the Phoenicians, built much larger vessels, which in N.T. times were frequently propelled entirely by means of sails (cf. Acts 27).
For example, if Jesus was a Jew, why did he have a Puerto Rican name?
No Don Rickles to receive in the year 2002 sarscam from you:)
What does that mean?
Sarcasm? What do you make of the statue in post #38? Origins?
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