Serial killer Wuornos' last hours at hand

Daytona NJ ^ | 10.09.02 | By HENRY FREDERICK (henry.frederick@news-jrnl.com)

[OldFriend]

I share!!! Let's do it!!! And bye bye Wourmus!!! Soon you will be worm food!

[ohioman]

Oops...too late. She is now food for worms and will soon be pushing up Daisies.

[L.N. Smithee]

Honestly, if those guys tried to rape her, they deserved what they got.

Your reasoning flabbergasts me. How many times to you kill raping johns before you quit putting yourself in circumstances in which you will have to kill people? Simple logic dictates that she was luring -- at the very least -- the last five victims to their deaths, even more evil than lying in wait to kill.

I just can't get past the fact that she may have been defending herself from rapists (another theory, equally valid, is that she killed men because they refused to pay her for her services.) I guess given the circumstances, I would feel more comfortable giving her a life sentence.

Life in prison for someone who slaughtered three times as many people as Karla Faye Tucker? Please!

I am very tired with the constant anger and belligerence responses that pop up here recently. The character of FR is changing and I am tired of seeing people jumped on by people who have nothing valuable to add to a discussion - they merely insult, or whine that someone is wrong without offering any kind of information or argument. This behavior has long been a feature of any internet bulletin board, but seems to have gotten worse here in the last year or so.

You didn't help your own cause by saying that your conservative friend said that there was "evidence" she killed in self-defense without citing a word of it. Saying "Wuornos" might be innocent is as jarring as saying "O.J." might be innocent, and while you may be insulted by the response to that statement, many of us are insulted by the concept.

[motexva]

People who are "insulted" by an idea, especially one such as "I think such and such person was innocent" or "I think such and such person deserves a different penalty" are thin skinned. You can disagree without being insulting, and disagree without being insulted.

Despite your assertion that she was "luring" men - whatever. She killed men who wanted to pay her for sex. There are inherent pitfalls on both sides of those transactions. Under your reasoning, the men are culpable in their deaths because they "put themselves in circumstances where a psychopath might kill them." Also, you seem to think that it's okay to rape prostitutes, since they shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves.

The "evidence" of mitigating circumstances in this case are that despite changes to her story, the constant was that she claimed that the first victim (a real scum bag if you do any reading about it) raped her and the other victims tried to rape her. Since no one knows what the actual circumstances are, and she didn't deny killing them, and given the odds that she probably was routinely raped as a streetwalking prostitute, if I was the governor I would probably have commuted her sentence to life. Does that offend you, that someone has a different opinion than you? Do you think I'll change my opinion since you are "insulted" by it?

Which is all moot anyway since Wuornos has been dead for about 7 hours. I let my opinions go at that point, actually. What's the point? You "won". She's dead. Let it go.

By the way - do you think Karla Faye Tucker didn't deserve to die for killing two people with an ax, over drugs or whatever it was? No possibility of mitigating circumstances there.

[The FRugitive]

Is lethal injection uncomfortable or painfull at all? Or does the person just fall asleep?

I don't have a problem with it maybye in shooting cases, but in the more sadistic murders it seems too easy.

[motexva]

Saying "Wuornos" might be innocent is as jarring as saying "O.J." might be innocent

By the way - I never said either person was innocent. Wuornos admitted killing them and believed that she should be punished. She did not participate in any kind of effective defense for herself. She was obviously a demented personality, a condition likely explained by her childhood. She killed johns who she claimed raped her. I would have given a life sentence based on the excessive force she used in her self-defense, if that is what happened, and we'll never know. I say excessive force because at least in one case, one of the dead men tried to get away and she shot him in the back. But again, if they tried to rape her they got what they deserved, and please, I hope it doesn't insult you that I tend to have the worst view about the motivations of men who exploit desperate, drug abusing, frequently clinically retarded women for sex. In all likelihood, Wuronos was frequently raped by her customers. Strangely, I do agree with you on one point - that she had put herself in the position where it was easy for scum to rape her. But that does not negate her right to defend herself if she was being raped.

[motexva]

The person just falls asleep. They actually give them a sedative and put them under and then administer the fatal chemicals. If there is pain the executed is not aware of it.

Frankly, on matters of the death penalty I tend to support the idea of bringing back the guillotine and the scaffold. If the death penalty is ineffective, it's because it's not done in public anymore. Also, the actual shock of seeing blood probably serves as a deterrent on the biological/evolutionary level. Plus, it has the added bonus of being a dreadful yet still humane way to die.

[The FRugitive]

That's true, the guillotene is rather civilized in fact. I'd say the worst execution method would be the electric chair. Well maybye crusifiction would be worse.

[John Jamieson]

Not my job. Do some research yourself. Several others here have given you some clues.

Goodnight Aileen, goodnight Aileen.....

[Skywalk]

Man, has anyone really read through most of the crimelibrary.org site? I found myself in tears last night reading the story of 12 year old Shanda Sharer, murdered by teen girls in a most savage and evil way. The poor girl just wouldn't die no matter what they did to her, and at no point did mercy enter their hearts.To think 2 of the murdering scum are on jailbabes.com and another is already out of prison(denied playing a large role, but had several chances to save the girls life and never did) is an outrage. They should be dead but only after lengthy torture.

Just when I think humans can go no lower, I read another detail. To think girls are capable of such viciousness and callousness is another scary thought.

We need to expunge the psychopaths from society and reach out to kids who show signs of psychopathic behavior before it's too late(for those that weren't born to be outright butchers, which some might be)

Crimelibrary.org is VERY informative site, but very depressing too. I fear for my loved ones, I fear for my future children.

[The FRugitive]

I can't get to the site. What did they do to the girl?

I think it's outrageous how we treat violent criminals in this country. I think when you commit a serious violent crime - rape, armed robbery, murder, serious battery, then that should be it for you for life. No second chances.

[Skywalk]

The appropriate question might be what DIDN'T they do to the poor girl. Beat her with a tire iron, punched and kicked her, tried to cut her throat but the knife was too dull, so they just stabbed her endlessly, sodomized her with the tire iron, sprayed Windex into her stab wounds, beat her more and when she was yet still alive, they set her on fire. Only then did poor Shanda find peace in death. She suffered for HOURS, her courageous spirit fighting to live. Unfortunately, neither of the two girls that claimed to be disgusted by what happened did a thing to stop it, despite the many opportunities.

When this country makes 1st and 2nd degree murder an AUTOMATIC death sentence, 3rd degree and rape convictions an automatic life, and all other violent crimes worthy of a minimum of 15 years with NO PAROLE OR PROBATION, then we'll see a rapid decrease in crime. Until then guard your life and the life of those you love and the innocents in your community.

[Skywalk]

Um, try www.crimelibrary.com

Not sure why I typed .org, hmm.

[The FRugitive]

That works, thanks.

[waterstraat]

. I am very tired with the constant anger and belligerence responses that pop up here recently. The character of FR is changing and I am tired of seeing people jumped on by people who have nothing valuable to add to a discussion - they merely insult, or whine that someone is wrong without offering any kind of information or argument. This behavior has long been a feature of any internet bulletin board, but seems to have gotten worse here in the last year or so.

You are absolutely right!! It is one thing to disagree and point out the reasons, it is another to insult, and whine. The character of the posters has certainly declined.

[GWfan]

Forgive me if this is written somewhere else in this thread. I have not read all of it yet. I heard this morning that she admitted killing these men and asked for the appeals process to be stopped. She said if she were released that she would kill again. This was the gist of a report on Fox news.

I believe that even mental patients are responsible for their actions. We can't continue blaming society for decisions individuals make.

[dighton]

Regarding the claim of attempted rape, here Wuornos admits the truth:

How inconvenient that Wuornos now says her earlier version of events was a bald-faced lie. "I'm coming clean and telling you that it was not self-defence," she told an Orlando television station in May, 2000. "It's seven counts of first-degree murder and seven counts of robbery." Interviewed by the Oscala Star-Banner last summer, she reiterated: "There was no self-defence in any of these cases. I just flat robbed, killed them."

(Good find, Helix. Thank you).

[waterstraat]

Ailleen was saying these things because she now wants to die, and because she does not want any appeals process.

[waterstraat]

I believe that even mental patients are responsible for their actions. We can't continue blaming society for decisions individuals make.

Does it matter how a child is raised? I know some of you will deny that it does not matter how a child is raised, and that the child, any child, who later grows up to be an Ailleen Wuornos is totally to blame for herself, it is not society's blame, and not her parents' blame. That is open for discussion.

I thought of these 2 girls today, who lived so very close to each other when they were little. The houses where these 2 little girls used to live, still remain today, both of the houses are very silent.

These 2 girls, Madonna Louise Ciccone was born in 1958, and Ailleen Carol Wuornos was born in 1956. If they both had normal families, they would have attended high school together, and perhaps would have been friends with each other.

For a time, these little girls lived just blocks apart from each other in Rochester Michigan. Yet so different was their fates. How much of their fate and what they became was caused by their upbringing?

Madonna Louise had a loving mother who died when she was 6, her father later remarried, gave her a good Catholic upbringing, gave her music lessons, sent her to a good public school, later college, and most of all, gave her love. Madonna graduated from Rochester High School and Madonna now is married, famous, and has a good job making records and movies.

The other girl, Aileen, had a father who was a child molester and a sociopath who was strangled in prison in 1969. Ailleen's mother abandoned Ailleen when she was a little girl. Ailleen became pregnant at age 14 and was sent to an unwed mothers’ home for the duration of her pregnancy, her baby boy was put up for adoption in January 1971. Aileen dropped out of school, left home and took up hitchhiking and prostitution.

Ailleen Wuornos was killed this morning at 9:30 by lethal injection, Ailleen also became world famous, by becoming the first female serial killer. Aillen killed 9 men with a .22 handgun, who she originally said had attacked her and that she was acting in selfdefense. We now know that her first murder trial was unjust, because we later found out that the prosecutor kept the information from the jury that, in fact, the first murder victim was in fact a convicted rapist, which backed up Ailleens story that he was raping again.

All of the men she killed, were mostly married, one even a minister, were killed with their clothes off, and were using a prostitute - (such are the unintended consequences of adultery and going to a prostitute)

If Ailleen Wuornos was brought up in the Ciccone family home instead, would she have turned out differently? Was she destined to be the worlds first female serial killer, regardless of whether she was taken to church or not, or abandoned by her mother or not?

What if it had been Madonna that had been born the daughter of the child molestor, would she still be the super star that she is today?

[tet68]

See, I think they should first pump some Meth into her,
then some liquid LSD, give that a few minutes to take effect
then start the slooooow drip of fatal stuff.
After the first stuff the executioners don masks that look like her victims and start laughing at her and jabbing her with little pitch forks.
Kind of send her on her way, if you get my drift.