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To: Hodar
Isn't child pornography a crime? And why isn't this book considered such? Does the fact that it contains no images of child sex with adults remove it from the porn category? If so, why doesn't the description and sanctioning of same count?

Not necessarily asking you, but there are limitations to free speech. Should writings encouraging illegal acts with children be legal?

I bet Amazon.com wouldn't sell a book that glorified and encouraged child suicide bombers, or a book that described ways to torture and murder gays.
8 posted on 10/08/2002 4:07:07 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
Should writings encouraging illegal acts with children be legal?

Of course not. And the framers of the First Amendment never intended it to protect obscenity.

18 posted on 10/08/2002 4:54:26 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: agrace
I bet Amazon.com wouldn't sell a book that glorified and encouraged child suicide bombers, or a book that described ways to torture and murder gays.

Right. Because that would be 'immoral.' But helping to promote child rape is not for Namblazon. Good-bye, Namblazon. You're deep into your own filth.

25 posted on 10/08/2002 6:07:05 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: agrace

Isn't child pornography a crime?

 

Yes, it is, but not because *thinking* or *writing* about sex with children is against the law, but because child pornography requires the actual exploitation of an underage human being, not old enough to legally consent to peddling their flesh. Hence, it is the material crime of sexually exploiting a child that is necessary to the creation of child porn that makes it illegal, not thinking about it or writing about it or advocating it.

 

See the recent court decision that *virtual* child pornography, created entirely via digital means, is legal as it does not involve the exploitation of a minor.

 

Mind you, I am not arguing for the morality of writing such garbage, I am just saying that criminalizing thought or discussion has not yet happened consistently, hate crimes legislation notwithstanding. Such a criminalization of freedom of conscience would make our legal system incredibly complex and unfair, since you would have juries and judges convicting people not on material acts but on what they *think* those people may have thought, said, intended, etc, which is more properly the role of social pressures rather than the coercive power of government.

 

Should writings encouraging illegal acts with children be legal?

 

There is a big difference between inciting an act directly or conspiring to commit a crime directly and these awful books, legally speaking. I have little doubt that the authors are up to no good in their filthy lifestyles, but there is no legal grounds for action until they try to harm an actual child.

 

I bet Amazon.com wouldn't sell a book that glorified and encouraged child suicide bombers,

 

Well, here’s Noam Chomsky’s “9/11”

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1583224890/qid=1034129002/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-2795119-2158203?v=glance&n=507846

 

A pandering bio of Yasser Arafat

 

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1883642108/qid=1034129072/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/103-2795119-2158203?v=glance&n=507846

 

or a book that described ways to torture and murder gays.

 

Can’t think of any offhand, but there are plenty of fictional stories featuring such sordid acts, whether in a positive light or not.

30 posted on 10/08/2002 7:13:40 PM PDT by Lizard_King
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