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Two Americans, Japanese Win Nobel Physics Prize
Fox News ^ | October 8, 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/08/2002 6:45:16 AM PDT by Physicist

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Physicist
it's the conceptual simplicity of the experiment that makes it so elegant.

You used that word. That's how I know you really are a physicist. Or at least a mathematician.

21 posted on 10/08/2002 11:55:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Physicist
"But to me, it's the conceptual simplicity of the experiment that makes it so elegant."

Heh! A lot of "conceptually simple" experiments turn out to be blasted honking difficult to execute in the real world. Theorists are nice, but experimentalists RULE!

22 posted on 10/08/2002 12:01:56 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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Theorists are nice, but experimentalists RULE!

At least that's how the Nobel prizes are awarded.

23 posted on 10/08/2002 12:08:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Physicist
It may have been little more than a tank of CH4 but it was more than a little tank.
24 posted on 10/08/2002 12:11:51 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Wonder Warthog
A lot of "conceptually simple" experiments turn out to be blasted honking difficult to execute in the real world. Theorists are nice, but experimentalists RULE!

Being an experimentalist, I tend to agree with you, but I can't help thinking of the overthrow of the conservation of parity. It turned out to be a fairly easy experiment. Of course, in that case the Nobel prize went to the theorists, T.D. Lee and C.N. Yang, and not to the experimentalist, C.S. Wu.

25 posted on 10/08/2002 12:16:42 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It was enough dry cleaning fluid to clean up after Clinton.
26 posted on 10/08/2002 12:20:49 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Notice how old these physicists are. I suspect they are being honored with a kind of lifetime achievement award much the same as Einstein.
27 posted on 10/08/2002 12:22:25 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Doctor Stochastic
CCl4 not CH4

That typo was a real gas.
28 posted on 10/08/2002 12:30:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Physicist
There's definitely an MSW effect going on. They have extracted the MSW parameters from the charged-current and neutral-current measurements. Furthermore, as a check they have measured the day-night asymmetry, which arises from the fact that at night, the solar neutrinos have to pass through the bulk of the Earth.

Ah, that's very interesting; I thought I had read somewhere that the day/night asymmetry was too small for the MSW effect to account for the "missing" Solar neutrinos, but maybe that was an out-of-date reference I saw... Wolfenstein (of MSW) should be delighted.

29 posted on 10/08/2002 12:47:37 PM PDT by longshadow
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A very mild buzz right now...the champagne is flowing around the department today.
30 posted on 10/08/2002 1:34:40 PM PDT by Physicist
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Sure, first you steal one of our finest astronomers from us this fall (who now teaches there), and then one of your physicists wins the Nobel. Must be having a rough life over there, eh? Congratulations! Thanks for the great read, too!
31 posted on 10/08/2002 1:45:59 PM PDT by ThinkPlease
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first you steal one of our finest astronomers from us this fall

I take it you mean Gary Bernstein. He's sharp. He gave a colloquium here last year about weak gravitational lensing. I raised a very clever point in the Q&A and he shot it down in about two seconds. Gotta love that.

32 posted on 10/08/2002 2:15:08 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
GO PENN!
33 posted on 10/08/2002 2:17:23 PM PDT by Libertarian4Bush
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The Particle Sleuths, a great article about the history of neutrino physics at Penn.

A great link, thank you for posting it! In my opinion, most science writers cannot write their way out of a paper bag. This one, however, is very good. Here is just one paragraph that delighted me:

Pauli, who didn’t dare publish his theory until three years later, “thought he had done a bad thing scientifically,” says Mann. “He had given this particle properties that prevented it from being observed. It was massless. It had no charge, and all it did was carry energy and momentum. You see, lay people mostly think about science as proceeding in a straight line, but science rarely proceeds in a straight line and we don’t live our lives in a straight line. We go in and out, we make mistakes, we do all kinds of foolish things—and occasionally some intelligent things.” It wasn’t until 1956, shortly before Pauli’s death, that the neutrino was first detected in a nuclear reactor, and Pauli’s intelligent solution to the puzzle was proven. “For a physicist, that’s romantic.”

34 posted on 10/08/2002 2:46:13 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: Physicist
"Of course, in that case the Nobel prize went to the theorists, T.D. Lee and C.N. Yang, and not to the experimentalist, C.S. Wu."

Ah, but the poor schmucks that REALLY don't get the credit are the instrument designers/builders who actually "make it happen". Lots of really clever things have been done with extremely simple/elegant equipment. (And yes, I'm an instrument designer--chemistry, though--not physics).

35 posted on 10/08/2002 3:59:58 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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And you guessed it, RA knows this American scientist, too (well, kindof second-hand, but nevertheless...)! ROFL!
36 posted on 10/08/2002 6:52:29 PM PDT by Aracelis
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