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NJ Supreme Court Hearing Live Thread
New Jersey Public TV ^ | 10/02/02 | TonyInOhio

Posted on 10/02/2002 7:04:20 AM PDT by TonyInOhio

New Jersey Public TV is carrying this hearing live. Click on Watch Live Online, and post what you hear, here.


Tony


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: demonrats; election; fixisin; forrester; fraud; greasetheskids; igotyourparadigm; lautenberg; ratcrimes; steal; stealingelection; toricelli
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To: jayef
:-(
1,121 posted on 10/02/2002 10:08:49 AM PDT by Huck
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To: MamaLucci
You are missing the very purpose of the Judges continueing to stress the time enough to process the ballots, or change them in time for the election.

They effectively are closing any loop holes for any other candidates or parties to attempt the same bait and switch schemes. Henchforth, they will merely measure whether or not the clerks can fullfill this task. So the dem's will be successfull in this attempt, but it will end there.

1,122 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:08 AM PDT by rstevens
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
1. no decision as been made yet

Correct--Dems and the County Clerk lawyer want a decision ASAP

2. the other parties did a great job discussing fairness

All but the Conservative guy who got bogged down in details about 51 days not being set in stone

3. the dems suggested a color coded ballot system to override the 51 day law?

I think a Justice (the woman who talked the most) may have "suggested" this (how convienient!)

4. probably will go to ussc soon..regardless of how the sc rules.

Not sure about this...I think Forrester might keep out of the fray, as someone just suggested, he can go after the "selected" cadidate that was forced onto the dem voters, without their say (esp. good, as Torecelli reportedly hates Lautenberg--Torch lovers might be really pissed)

1,123 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:37 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: twigs
An appeal to the Supremes might not be a bad idea for the Republicans....

Do it on the narrow ground of disenfranchising military voters who have already voted. That makes it more difficult to demonize Forrester for appealing.

The Supremes will refuse to hear the case. But what that does is help reverse the perception that SCOTUS were just whores for Republicans, because they turned down a chance to "interfere" in another election. And you could even get someone like Scalia to write an opinion saying that it shouldn't be taken because, unlike Bush v. Gore, there wasn't a federal issue involved.

1,124 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:37 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: mwl1
Here's the link to the main page that the poll is on:

LINK TO POLL

It's listed under the stories about Dems go to Court, click on Survey.

Presently 89% voting no one should replace the Torch, miniscule amounts for other choices like Palone, Laudenberg, etc.

1,125 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:37 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
1. no decision as been made yet

It is clear by the questions that the only decision that has not been made is HOW, not whether.

1,126 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:46 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Mr. Lucky
Also, if they try to reschedule the election, they would probably violate the federal 35-day rule for when senate elections must be certified.
1,127 posted on 10/02/2002 10:09:57 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: berkeleybeej
They are probably saying "good, we get to bitchslap another commie state supreme court. And if we're lucky we can see Rita Cosby froth on the steps as she reads our opinion. Ain't life wonderful".
1,128 posted on 10/02/2002 10:10:38 AM PDT by LaGrone
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To: VRWC_minion; twyn1
thank you both...

What a sad day..

We didn't learn anything from florida SC
1,129 posted on 10/02/2002 10:11:53 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: LisaFab
As you know, the Pubs have to walk on eggshells because of the media bias. They have to avoid any tasty sound-bytes the dems and their aides in the press might be able to use against them.

No question the 'Pubbies have to tread carefully and avoid any bad sound bites. I'm not sure the 'Pubbie lawyer was successful at that, though. I thought he sounded like an idiot, and unprepared to boot.

I don't agree that the minor party candidates have the least to lose, at least in the long run. As I said in an earlier post, they would have been held to every jot and tittle of the statute had they asked for a substitution (and so would the 'Pubbies for that matter). The only protection against being kept off the ballot altogether that the minor parties have is the strict and fair enforcement of the rules.

To answer your earlier question, I do think this will go to the Supremes, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. This really is a mess.

1,130 posted on 10/02/2002 10:12:02 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: bray
"Are you sure there just wouldn't be a torn up suicide note clutching a gun with 3 taps to the back, wrong caliber of course. "

They should be watching Fort Marcy Park.

1,131 posted on 10/02/2002 10:12:58 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Mad Dawgg
The Green would lose on grounds of cost and impractiblity - which would be a better argument that much closer to the election, so it's not a good test.
1,132 posted on 10/02/2002 10:13:56 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: CatoRenasci
New Jersey Party Bosses Pick Candidate in Smoke-Filled Backroom. Film at 11.
1,133 posted on 10/02/2002 10:15:05 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: rstevens
Henchforth, they will merely measure whether or not the clerks can fullfill this task. So the dem's will be successfull in this attempt, but it will end there.

What happens if some clerks claim they cannot fulfill this tasks(s)?

1,134 posted on 10/02/2002 10:16:38 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Coop
Sheesh! I think you could argue with a blind puppy. I was just poking fun at the futility of both of our predictions.
1,135 posted on 10/02/2002 10:17:01 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Does anyone doubt that had it been one of the minor parties wanting a last minute substitution that it would have been refused? Of course not. As I've said before, this needs to be shouted from the rooftops and radio towers!
If anything it needs to be tested in NJ right after the ballots are reprinted and sent out. :-P

Oooohhhh, that's GOOD!

*screeching Justice voice* "What's the difference between 35 days and 29 days?!?"
/screeching>

1,136 posted on 10/02/2002 10:17:33 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: alnick
He's now the Solicitor General of the U.S.
1,137 posted on 10/02/2002 10:18:12 AM PDT by ELS
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To: CatoRenasci
I agree that any non-dems applying for a last-minute ballot change would surely have had their feet held to the fire by the SCONJ or any other NE bench.

As far as strict and fair enforcement of the rules I think the best shot we have lies with Rhenquist, Scalia, Thomas, et.al..

1,138 posted on 10/02/2002 10:19:28 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: XJarhead
...there wasn't a federal issue involved.

Ah, but there is a Federal Issue --- Senators are Federal offices. Their election is not supposed to be corrupt.

1,139 posted on 10/02/2002 10:20:25 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: LisaFab
Have any TV talking heads weighed in on how they think the court will rule?
1,140 posted on 10/02/2002 10:21:44 AM PDT by ambrose
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