Torricelli News Conference 5 pm EST LIVE THREAD

[alisasny]

Opine away : )

[jwalsh07]

Bruce Spingsteen

[Torie]

Only the balance of the existing term. That dog won't hunt.

[clintonh8r]

Anybody know what the pathetic losers over at DUmbass are saying?

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

the Democrats have exactly two tactics in play here. 1) Get the NJ Supreme Court to agree to violate NJ law and let them put in another candidate beyond the deadline, or, 2) somehow blame the Republicans for the fact that they don't get to jam another candidate onto the NJ ballot.

That old deadline problem again. Why repeat a tactic that failed so miserably in the recent past. Isn't that crazy?

[bvw]

Maybe this is one of those long nights where the Dems have to wonder and worry if they have all their claymores facing the right direction. Seems to me there were some in the crate that might have been mislabeled.

[OldFriend]

Toricelli mentioned X42 many times during his rambling pity party.

[StarFan]

The Judge said no such thing He certainly did prior to the press conference. He detailed two scenarios that could happen which made my stomach turn. In any event I've posted the statute in my post 1773 which covers a vacancy (doesn't apply here unless the Torch resigns). Can you help interpret it so I can rest easier.

Be sure to check the third link below. I wrote about this situation BEFORE it happened. Will do so now, thanks.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I wonder what the Crossfire Pukes will have to say on the Torch?

Is Crossfire still on?

[CharacterCounts]

That old deadline problem again. Why repeat a tactic that failed so miserably in the recent past. Isn't that crazy?

The Dems have admitted they lost the New Jersey senate race today, The rest of the action is to:

1. Take the country's mind off of the war, where Republicans are strongest and switch the debate to another election fiasco.

2. Energize their base in New Jersey for the other elected offices.

[chnsmok]

Hang with me a minute---did you catch a rather garbled, small snip of Torcelli's speech in which he said he had "asked the Supreme Court to remove his name from the ballot" (did not specify if that was NJ Supreme Court or US)? It jolted me. Here's why---I have to run through this for people who were not in the long afternoon discussions and gathering of pertinent info. The law reads that a candidate has to withdraw from a race 48 days before (and we are at 36) in order for the party to substitute another name on the ballot. This is why the repukes are ready tomorrow to go to the court and get a ruling that the Dems cannot replace Torch's name on the ballot...........BUT While the law reads that way, it does not address a person's request to NOT have his name appear on the ballot---two different issues. Are they going to say that as an American citizen (freedom and all that shit) that the Torch CANNOT remove his name?? Soooo, if Torch is able to remove his name that means that there is no one on the ballot who is Democratic. And, that is a hell pile of shit for the repukes who still have the stench of Florida wafting over them!!! If they go with no challenger then the people of NJ go apeshit--come on, NJ is one of the Democratic bastions. Think those people will accept no candidate imposed by the repukes? Think this won't open a national scream fest (if the g.d. Dems are smart enough to go nationally balistic about this and compare it to the stolen election of the fool in the Oval Office)??---oh, god, what a message to drown out Iraq--i.e., the republicans have stomped out democracy in this nation so what the hell are we fighting for abroad??? I am wondering if this is a preemptive strike by the Democrats to get around the 48 day ruling??--the repukes have to allow a new candidate or get attacked with a violence that overshadows Iraq. And even if Torch has to remain on the ballot, it can again be charged that the repukes are offering the choice between a candidate and a person who will not take the office; ie. denying a democratic election choice......the repukes could finally pay for Florida 2000 IF IF IF the damn Dems know how to make political hay out of this. If they do, it could blow the doors off of repukes all over this country. Watch for the results of the court decisions and bombard the DNC and dem congressmen with how to turn this to their advantage--instead of the resigned acceptance of 2000.

Brian Williams just reported on CNBC that Bruce Springsteen and Bill Bradley are 2 names under discussion as replacement candidates for Torricelli. I'm not a Springsteen fan but that would be pretty cool....

From DU

[Sub-Driver]

there's the evidence as to who pulls the Rat's strings....not too shocking

[deport]

There is no VACANCY

Did I say there was? I know he's resigning from the campaing but if they can't replace his name with another candidate prior to the election then within 30 days of it what happens if he decides to resign then? That's what the above cited law refers to.

[CharacterCounts]

Any reading of the statute which would create a term longer than six years without a general election will be found in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

[aristeides]

The Senate Pro Tempore is right behind the Speaker in line.

If enough officials die in a terrorist incident, we could have a KKK president.

[gridlock]

The dems are planning to go to the supreme court and lose... and use it to claim WE stole the election AGAIN, "just like the last election..."

That's the only reason the 'Rats have to go to the Supreme Court. There is no way they have jurisdiction over this matter. The only reason is to lose to the Supremes and then demonize the Court and tell all the other Senate Races that that is the reason the Dems can't lose, or else they will get more bad decisions from a biased court.

Typical 'Rat ploy. But it isn't going to work. The Supreme Court will not rule on this. They will just kick it back to the state where it belongs.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

The only real legal question here is whether the NJ SC will attempt to violate NJ law and allow the Dems to substitute a new candidate AFTER the deadline to do so has passed. The reasoning they applied, in their only known exception, involved a candidate who died before his primary, but won anyway. It does NOT apply to the Torricelli situation, since he is only politically dead.

Thanks, and thanks for the laugh: "only POLITICALLY dead!" ROFL!

[rmmcdaniell]

The Dems have admitted they lost the New Jersey senate race today, The rest of the action is to:

Energize their base in New Jersey for the other elected offices.

There is no other election of any importance in New Jersey other than the Senate Race this year. Our governor was elected last year and none of our 13 congressional districts are competitive.

[for-q-clinton]

Add this to one of their schemes.

Get a high profile person to want to run. The more celebrity the better. Don't put up much of a legal fight in hopes that it will lose. Next the media is no longer talking about Iraq, but rather the NJ legal battle.

Very very sneaky. I got to say it's one way to change the subject for a nat'l debate.

If this is their tactic we must stay on message.

1) War with Iraq is our number one concern.
2) The reason we have this issue in NJ is because the democRATS tolerated and embraced a fellow RAT with known ethical issues.

[aristeides]

Noneligible people do not succeed to the presidency. Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright were foreign-born secretaries of state. Because they were foreign-born, they were not eligible to become president. During the terms of both, it was made clear that they were in the line of succession to the presidency.