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To: CanadianFella
The tech sector is in a big shitsus. Scrapping H1B will dramatically raise labor costs and lead only to further closings, and then the sh** will start piling up so fast you'll need wings to stay above it. Get over the knee-jerk Buchananism and realize how extremely beneficial this deregulation of the labor market is.

There's a concern that if this direction doesn't vary significantly, it becomes pointless to go into computer science with a view to software development, database design or any other specialty surrounding the software area. As the older specialists die off, they're not replaced with American specialists.

While this may make operating systems and applications inexpensive in the sort run, it'll athropy the software capability of America and make us dependent on foreign skills.

If the computer products continue to hold the importance in our civilization as they do now, and we lose or seriously diminsh the domestic skills to make them ourselves, we can lose control over our national security and even our way of life.

I think it's wise to maintain selfsufficiency in certain core industries and their skills unless we can successfully encourage every nation in the world to love us and wish us only good fortune forever.

35 posted on 09/26/2002 8:47:10 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
I think it's wise to maintain selfsufficiency in certain core industries and their skills unless we can successfully encourage every nation in the world to love us and wish us only good fortune forever.

How do you decide on what's a core industry. Is manufacturing shoes a core industry? After all, we wouldn't survive long in the winter without shoes, and we can't remain dependant on foreigners to manufacture them, can we?

The real reason for the opposition to H1B is that people seem to think they have a right to a job because of the color of their passport. They forget that jobs go to the best skilled at the best wage price the employer can find, American or not. Hiring H1Bs is good business, not "betrayal". If you can't compete with them for any reason, at least don't lie about why y'all go crying to Congress to get it to keep them out.

36 posted on 09/27/2002 3:28:55 AM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: William Terrell
I appreciate your views; It is not my intention to bash people. But when someone confronts me with bigotry against me i strike back by throwing it back in their faces. It's nothing personal. I realize there are different points of views.

You said that there was at least a possibility that we could be discouraging young americans from going into this. I just want to tell you I thought that was patently obvious about the h1b program years ago.

Outsourcing is a perfectly rational and reasonable model of doing business in many circumstances. H1b is very different. Outsourcing will also not eliminate the market for engineering & software work & system administrator work inside of america as with buggy whip. Anyone who really thinks the government should intervene into the market to enhance an ongoing market trend is traditionally thought of as a fascist. Government should not try to out-guess the market.

The idea that we should have open borders for labor and that somehow h1b is just a reasonable market reform to facilitate this new concept is very much disapproved of by the american population. I am not in favor of our government doing things that the large majority of our population disapproves of.
38 posted on 09/27/2002 5:40:36 AM PDT by Red Jones
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