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It makes more sense to outsource than to hire H1-B's. Time marches on, all good things must come to an end. Nobody weeped for the Buggy Whip makers, or the slide rule makers, and noone will weep for the programmers either.

Outsourcing is the wave of the future. But $18/hr from the agency itself? The only one who can do that are offshore consulting firms who pay their slaves in room and board. Same effect on American workers, don't you think?

You might as well cheer the H1-B workers on. Only, the H1-B's will be spending their money here. The offshore contract workers, which, incidently, do their development offshore, will spend their money offshore.

Like the idea of American technical workers going the way of the buggywhip, do you?

dfwgator, I don't know whether you're willfully an idiot or just born that way. But what you said reflects not ignorance. Nobody could be that ignorant. What you said reflects profoud bigotry.

There are one million people working inside the US who hold an h1b visa. These h1b people working inside the US cost a lot more money than an engineer in India, Bulgaria or Russia. There is obviously a very large market for hiring engineers and software people inside the US.

The buggy whip market died. Yet there is today and there will be tommorrow a very strong market for hiring software people and engineers inside of the US. You are the marketing expert, no?

Whenever you sell anything you have 4 components of the marketing effort. You have the product or service you're selling. You have the price you're selling it at. You have the communications you do to promote your product. And then you have the location that you sell it at. There is a huge and viable market niche inside the US for hiring software people and engineering people precisely because it is inside the US. A lot of companies don't want to outsource no matter what for a large variety of reasons. To assert as you have that this is not a viable market is absolute foolishness, it betrays simple bigotry of those who advocate this idea, it flies in the face of simple reality that we live with every day.

Outsourcing does not violate anyone's rights. It also does not destroy the market for this type of work inside the US. But H1b does violate people's rights. This country is our country. We should not import foreigners as indentured servants to take our jobs. You are a liar to assert that the market for people working inside the US as engineers or software professionals is not viable.

I guess according to your warped and sick perverted logic when a company has a network of 100 or 200 computers hooked into a server and something goes wrong that you'll call your system administrator in Hyderbad? No, you need someone right there on the spot, not someone in India.

Read the article and put down the crack pipe. It says a fellow is working over 70 hours a week as an ACCOUNTANT with an h1b visa. Are you going to assert that the market for accountants is going the way of the buggy whip also?

H1b is a massive intervention into the labor market by the United States federal government for the purpose of ethnic cleansing americans out of the domestic market. That's what it is, any fool examining the actual workings of this program understands this.

While 50 years ago if a young person went to the university to learn engineering and got a degree he stood about a 50% chance of having a successful career that lasted to retirement in that field today a person with american citizenship status who graduates from an american university with that type of a degree stands less than a 10% chance of having similar success. For software people it is 5%. Most will not even be given a chance. Of those given an opportunity most will be pushed out before too long. This is what we are doing to our own people, it is driven by bigotry as displayed by this 'fellow' dfwgator.

H1b people don't pay social security taxes. Instead, the money that would go to social security goes to the home government's coffers. In other words, for every Indian placed in the US an american is displaced and $45,000 goes from the social security program and to the Indian government to encourage them to run technical schools to place people directly into the american economy. The money we are spending on education in the US is now being directed into the toilet as well as the people we are educating and at behest of our own government.

If we imposed an h1b program for doctors, then within 15 years the doctor profession would be dominated by foreigners and wages would be 30% less for all doctors. If we did this for nurses the result would be the same. The same is true for plumbers or carpenters. Any trade they can do this in the result will be the same. Only bigots single out engineering and software people and seek special rules for that market.

As dfwgator says this market for engineering and software people inside the US is not viable. Therefore, we have 1 million h1b visa holders doing those jobs inside the US because the market doesn't exist, just like the buggy whip.

dfwgator, take you white sheets and your cross burnings and whatever other sick bigotries you have and simply hide them. Do not bring them into polite company.